Are the Service Academies Prestigious?

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Anonymous wrote:Our current Secretary of State is a Harvard Law graduate — after West Point.

That's OK. Every school has a few deplorables.

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Anonymous wrote:They are among the most selective of our higher ed institutions. Are they considered presitigious?

yes. esp in engineering but really all around.

But they come with such strings attached. They are institutions of higher ed, yes, but with a six year military service commitment attached. That makes them "prestigious" only to certain people.

You are truly a moron. Just because not everyone is interested doesn’t make them less prestigious. Where do you people come from?

" Not everyone is interested" is a bit of an understatement. No need for the name-calling. It's prestigious with certain people.

The acceptance rate at Annapolis is 9 percent and at West Point 10. Ivy League rates. Clearly many are interested. Moron.

Really? Compare the number of applicants to the service academies to the Ivy league schools.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2017-09-14/10-colleges-with-the-most-applications Silly logic.

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Anonymous wrote:They are among the most selective of our higher ed institutions. Are they considered presitigious?

yes. esp in engineering but really all around.

But they come with such strings attached. They are institutions of higher ed, yes, but with a six year military service commitment attached. That makes them "prestigious" only to certain people.

Most employers, like those on the list up-thread, find theses service academy grads desirable because of their 6 years of service.

So what's prestigious then, the school or the six years of military service? Like, let's say someone went to ROTC at Virginia Tech and then spent six years in the military. Would the employers you're talking about be less impressed?

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Anonymous wrote:They are among the most selective of our higher ed institutions. Are they considered presitigious?

yes. esp in engineering but really all around.

But they come with such strings attached. They are institutions of higher ed, yes, but with a six year military service commitment attached. That makes them "prestigious" only to certain people.

Most employers, like those on the list up-thread, find theses service academy grads desirable because of their 6 years of service.

So what's prestigious then, the school or the six years of military service? Like, let's say someone went to ROTC at Virginia Tech and then spent six years in the military. Would the employers you're talking about be less impressed?

Its not about after-military careers, its about your career in the military. You go into the better jobs as an officer. Its not even comparable to ROTC. Six years is no big deal. My husband did his 20.

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Annapolis and West Point, yes. Coast Guard and Air Firce, not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis and West Point, yes. Coast Guard and Air Firce, not so much.

Coast Guard often has higher SAT averages for admitted students. It's arguably more selective than Annapolis and West Point.

--Annapolis grad

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Anonymous wrote:They are among the most selective of our higher ed institutions. Are they considered presitigious?

yes. esp in engineering but really all around.

But they come with such strings attached. They are institutions of higher ed, yes, but with a six year military service commitment attached. That makes them "prestigious" only to certain people.

Most employers, like those on the list up-thread, find theses service academy grads desirable because of their 6 years of service.

So what's prestigious then, the school or the six years of military service? Like, let's say someone went to ROTC at Virginia Tech and then spent six years in the military. Would the employers you're talking about be less impressed?

It’s both. But the military thing is huge. Employers trip over themselves to hire ex officers. And a combination of ex officer plus T14 law school is unbeatable. These folks are writing their own tickets and get amazing higher ed subsidies to do so. It’s almost dumb to not be an officer.

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis and West Point, yes. Coast Guard and Air Firce, not so much.

Coast Guard often has higher SAT averages for admitted students. It's arguably more selective than Annapolis and West Point.

--Annapolis grad

Merchant Marine. Hidden gem.

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Anonymous wrote:Our current Secretary of State is a Harvard Law graduate — after West Point.

That's OK. Every school has a few deplorables.

What problem do you have with his honorable service and towering intellect? You’re bitter.

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis and West Point, yes. Coast Guard and Air Firce, not so much.

Coast Guard often has higher SAT averages for admitted students. It's arguably more selective than Annapolis and West Point.

--Annapolis grad

Merchant Marine. Hidden gem.

pp. no argument from me on that. (FWIW, I have not posted the running commentary on either side of this debate.) Truth be told, all this obsession over what's "prestigious" is such a waste of time.

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Anonymous wrote:The Air Force Academy isn't all that prestigious, but West Point and Annapolis are. But it's still very specialized. Grads concentrate in engineering, defense contracting, etc. I've heard from others that they have a fairly low percentage who go on to professional schools, largely because they have multi-year service commitments and a lot of them end up getting married too, are fairly far along in their careers when they finally go civilian.

In terms of prestige, I would put them a notch or two below the ivy league foremost employers. But for some employers, particularly those in the defense industry, probably a notch above.

Maybe the ones who exit as soon as their military commitment is done don’t go on to additional schooling,but career officers usually have multiple masters degrees by the time they retire. They may not be from top 10 schools but they are often given a year just to focus on school. Heck, my FIL got an MBA from UVA in the Air Force and went on to get PhD in economics from Wharton way back in the 60s.

I agree on their graduates not being in top professional schools. I had only one service academy grad in my law school class, and I just asked my wife about her medical school class and she had none. We were both in top 10 schools.

I personally know service academy graduates with PhDs from Harvard, Princeton, Chicago, and Oxford, so you and your wife are pretty ignorant.

Lawyers don’t understand how statistics work. Plural of anecdotes is data for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our current Secretary of State is a Harvard Law graduate — after West Point.

That's OK. Every school has a few deplorables.

What problem do you have with his honorable service and towering intellect? You’re bitter.

Nothing wrong with his education or service. They didn’t save him though from bigoted views and consorting with Koch brothers, Trump, etc.

[Anonymous]

Well, U.S. News ranks West Point at #12 among Liberal Arts colleges, tied with Colby and Colgate.
Do you consider Colby and Colgate "prestigious?"
The Naval Academy is at #21, so deemed somewhat less prestigious.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, U.S. News ranks West Point at #12 among Liberal Arts colleges, tied with Colby and Colgate.
Do you consider Colby and Colgate "prestigious?"
The Naval Academy is at #21, so deemed somewhat less prestigious.

The Naval Academy was #12 or so a couple years ago, and nothing in particular has changed.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, U.S. News ranks West Point at #12 among Liberal Arts colleges, tied with Colby and Colgate.
Do you consider Colby and Colgate "prestigious?"
The Naval Academy is at #21, so deemed somewhat less prestigious.

The Naval Academy was #12 or so a couple years ago, and nothing in particular has changed.

right. And your point?