To those upset at Trump over child separation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right. And Obama was criticized then, as the article states. It's been a problem in the immigration policy area for awhile, although this situation is a little different in that the U.S. children were with other relatives and out in the community. Not a tent or a Walmart.

However, it just underscores that our values don't change just because there is a different president.

Our? You don't hold my values. My values are the rule of law and personal responsibility.

Sieg heil! Laws vill be obeyed.

[Anonymous]

This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seeking asylum is not even a misdemeanor.

Economic migration isn't political asylum.

We have enough poor people in this country. Every time I hear "They do jobs Americans won't do!" I laugh at the nonsense. There are no jobs Americans won't do. There are only jobs that Americans won't do for slave-labor wages. I'd like to see those wages rise - and they will when employers have to compete for employees. Let's take care of our own poor first, using the economic engine of our own country for our own people.

If we need to import poor people after a few years of robust economic development, I'll have more sympathy. For now, I'm more interested in uplifting my own folk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

I'm new to this thread, so perhaps I've missed the horrible posts. Honestly, people can reasonably disagree over immigration policy and even its enforcement.

It sounds like you want to censor people who disagree with you because it hurts your feelings. That strikes me as less than adult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I love about our country is that the same laws apply equally to all people.

It is now common knowledge that illegal immigration into the United States is being treated as the crime that it legally is. When an adult with a minor child commits a crime, they are detained. Part of that detention is that someone has to take care of their minor children.

Many minor children of detained people --US citizens included, end up in foster care. But while they are waiting for their foster parents, they are placed in group homes. The children's detention center is a very large group home.

So, as a parent, knowing that illegal immigration is no longer tolerated in the US and that you will be separated from your child,

why do you as the adult still make the decision to commit the crime?

lLIAR. Asylum seeker are here legally.

Economic migration isn't political asylum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

Seriously, don’t engage. If those that think like them are the majority, we have already lost. Work on getting people that share your sense of outrage on this shameful chapter to vote in November and again in 2020. Find charities and groups you can support to help those in need now. Leave the politics forum alone - I hope it’s not represented Of American sentiments in general. But we won’t know until after the election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right. And Obama was criticized then, as the article states. It's been a problem in the immigration policy area for awhile, although this situation is a little different in that the U.S. children were with other relatives and out in the community. Not a tent or a Walmart.

However, it just underscores that our values don't change just because there is a different president.

What’s worse separating citizens from their parents or recent illegal aliens from their parents?

Neither worse, both good. Separate and prosecute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

Seriously, don’t engage. If those that think like them are the majority, we have already lost. Work on getting people that share your sense of outrage on this shameful chapter to vote in November and again in 2020. Find charities and groups you can support to help those in need now. Leave the politics forum alone - I hope it’s not represented Of American sentiments in general. But we won’t know until after the election.

why do liberals all favor illegals over us citizens? There is seriously something very wrong with them—to turn your back on your fellow Americans and push illegals through the system? That’s some serious “compassion” right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

Seriously, don’t engage. If those that think like them are the majority, we have already lost. Work on getting people that share your sense of outrage on this shameful chapter to vote in November and again in 2020. Find charities and groups you can support to help those in need now. Leave the politics forum alone - I hope it’s not represented Of American sentiments in general. But we won’t know until after the election.

Or else work on explaining why the U.S. shouldn't have borders. Explain the logic behind a country that cannot and should not enforce its own borders.

Because otherwise it sort of looks like poor people trying to exploit porous borders.

This is understandable but hardly makes for good national policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

Seriously, don’t engage. If those that think like them are the majority, we have already lost. Work on getting people that share your sense of outrage on this shameful chapter to vote in November and again in 2020. Find charities and groups you can support to help those in need now. Leave the politics forum alone - I hope it’s not represented Of American sentiments in general. But we won’t know until after the election.

why do liberals all favor illegals over us citizens? There is seriously something very wrong with them—to turn your back on your fellow Americans and push illegals through the system? That’s some serious “compassion” right there.

This. We could do a lot to address the poverty and low wages of many of our existing citizens, if we didn't have a flow of undocumented workers willing to undercut them in the labor market.

[Anonymous]

Follow the laws and stop showing up illegally

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

Seriously, don’t engage. If those that think like them are the majority, we have already lost. Work on getting people that share your sense of outrage on this shameful chapter to vote in November and again in 2020. Find charities and groups you can support to help those in need now. Leave the politics forum alone - I hope it’s not represented Of American sentiments in general. But we won’t know until after the election.

why do liberals all favor illegals over us citizens? There is seriously something very wrong with them—to turn your back on your fellow Americans and push illegals through the system? That’s some serious “compassion” right there.

This. We could do a lot to address the poverty and low wages of many of our existing citizens, if we didn't have a flow of undocumented workers willing to undercut them in the labor market.

Tell them to get to California. Those fruits and vegetables aren't going to pick themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

Seriously, don’t engage. If those that think like them are the majority, we have already lost. Work on getting people that share your sense of outrage on this shameful chapter to vote in November and again in 2020. Find charities and groups you can support to help those in need now. Leave the politics forum alone - I hope it’s not represented Of American sentiments in general. But we won’t know until after the election.

why do liberals all favor illegals over us citizens? There is seriously something very wrong with them—to turn your back on your fellow Americans and push illegals through the system? That’s some serious “compassion” right there.

This. We could do a lot to address the poverty and low wages of many of our existing citizens, if we didn't have a flow of undocumented workers willing to undercut them in the labor market.

Tell them to get to California. Those fruits and vegetables aren't going to pick themselves.

Yup. And the wages will be better without an influx of undocumented workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I love about our country is that the same laws apply equally to all people.

It is now common knowledge that illegal immigration into the United States is being treated as the crime that it legally is. When an adult with a minor child commits a crime, they are detained. Part of that detention is that someone has to take care of their minor children.

Many minor children of detained people --US citizens included, end up in foster care. But while they are waiting for their foster parents, they are placed in group homes. The children's detention center is a very large group home.

So, as a parent, knowing that illegal immigration is no longer tolerated in the US and that you will be separated from your child,

why do you as the adult still make the decision to commit the crime?

lLIAR. Asylum seeker are here legally.

Economic migration isn't political asylum.

That may be true, but the fact of the matter is that this determination is not up to you, and not up to the ICE agents. If they are not eligible for asylum, the judge will rule to that effect. These decisions are made in courts, not by random bozos on the internets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a sickening thread. I hope these horrible posts are from Trump trolls, not DCUM parents. The lack of compassion of these posters is horrifying. They must be those trolls who post from outside DC. They are why Jeff stopped putting politics on recent topics. It is nauseating to read the shit these people post. This used to be a civil forum. I think Jeff should just delete the entire forum and let DCUM be just about parenting and other tlrelated topics.

Seriously, don’t engage. If those that think like them are the majority, we have already lost. Work on getting people that share your sense of outrage on this shameful chapter to vote in November and again in 2020. Find charities and groups you can support to help those in need now. Leave the politics forum alone - I hope it’s not represented Of American sentiments in general. But we won’t know until after the election.

Or else work on explaining why the U.S. shouldn't have borders. Explain the logic behind a country that cannot and should not enforce its own borders.

Because otherwise it sort of looks like poor people trying to exploit porous borders.

This is understandable but hardly makes for good national policy.

So I am not taking my own advice not to engage. But here goes...

I am actually not against an immigration policy that makes sense and that deports illegal aliens that commit crimes etc. I object strenuously to degrading our own sense of morality by treating people as “others” or “criminals” for no good reason. I think it diminishes us and our ideals. Have laws, yes. Enforce laws, yes. But be compassionate and treat people as human beings. Don’t break faith with DACA recipients. Crack down on businesses and employees that break labor laws. And under no circumstance, separate a child from their parent for at worst a misdemeanor charge and often time with no charge (you are allowed to ask for asylum - that doesn’t make you a criminal). Again, the true horror is who we are becoming when we act so contrary to the ideals emblazoned on Lady Liberty.