DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ You are right on tickets. Spirit also pays its coaches more, so it's a good gig that draws good coaches through the revolving door. Of course those ticket and coaches salaries get passed on to players.

That's not what they say, but even if so Is that a bad thing to have access to see games. I highly doubt 70 season tickets are going to make or break a team that has like 4000 at every game. As for charging for coaching salaries, well duh..

To repeat, 4 teams * 2 clubs (MD & VA) * 20 players/team = 160 tickets.

160 tickets / 3491 average Spirit attendance = 4.5%

If you can’t understand that a 4.5% increase in tickets sales makes a difference for a struggling business, then it’s pointless talking to you.

The DA also supplements Spirit’s pro team coaching expenses b/c instead of all of the coaching staff’s incomes needing to come from the pro team, they’re able to collect some of those salaries from working with the DA. Not saying the DA is not receiving value, it’s just that the DA is helping the pro team, not the other way around, so it will be a long time before money flows the other way and DA players get a reduced fee because of the affiliation with Spirit.

I never thought of it that way. Clearly they started 2 DAs to sell more tickets and fund professional coaches. I must not have anything do with developing players to be on the team in the future.

If the pro teams thought they could train their future players, they wouldn't make the cost be about 7% of the median income in the area. I guarantee you the only parents thinking of WS as a soccer select option for their daughter are those with medium to high HHI. Unless you would argue the WS future players should be able to sustain themselves from their parents income(maybe?). The program is meant to help them out find quality players whose parents can pay the price tag in full. A 15yo player now might be in a pro team 7 years from now, perhaps not starting; WS isn't thinking that far ahead with their DA team. They're going year to year and ensuring the program isn't costing them any money.

Well, thank God that FCV and VDA are around to offer Soccer charities for kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who said Girls DA teams do not play ECNL teams?

here we go:
http://dallascup.demosphere.com/teams/2018/accepted88058564.html

even a new U16 DA Pilot team listed.

Interesting ... I guess a tournament would have to get itself approved as a USSDA event before DA teams can participate. At least I'm inferring that must be how it works...does anyone know the rules here?
There are some other events like this with ECNL and DA clubs competing in showcases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who said Girls DA teams do not play ECNL teams?

here we go:
http://dallascup.demosphere.com/teams/2018/accepted88058564.html

even a new U16 DA Pilot team listed.

Interesting ... I guess a tournament would have to get itself approved as a USSDA event before DA teams can participate. At least I'm inferring that must be how it works...does anyone know the rules here?
There are some other events like this with ECNL and DA clubs competing in showcases.

DA teams can play in non-DA tourneys. The tourneys must comply with DA standards by providing a DA bracket. This bracket must schedule only one game per day and allow one day of rest if more than two games are being played. Non DA teams are allowed to play in the DA brackets.

[Anonymous]

here is a DA showcase from last weekend with an ECNL team. The local DA teams didnt fare so well

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=61166&Gender=Girls&Age=15

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:here is a DA showcase from last weekend with an ECNL team. The local DA teams didnt fare so well

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=61166&Gender=Girls&Age=15

Showcases are coached differently than tournaments, ie team results are secondary to giving all players time in front of attending college coaches.

Here’s a question...why do so many posters on this site seem to be obsessed with the DA program failing, or at least falling short?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here is a DA showcase from last weekend with an ECNL team. The local DA teams didnt fare so well

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=61166&Gender=Girls&Age=15

Showcases are coached differently than tournaments, ie team results are secondary to giving all players time in front of attending college coaches.

Here’s a question...why do so many posters on this site seem to be obsessed with the DA program failing, or at least falling short?

I don't get that impression at all from following these threads for a long time. Lots of supportive interest and it goes back to last year when many were joining DA and posting about pros and cons of which one best. If anything, posters have been talking negatively about ECNL. Maybe one poster on here seems anti-Spirit. You have to go back a couple years and I am talking about the main soccer thread Part 1 as well.

[Anonymous]

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DA teams can play in non-DA tourneys. The tourneys must comply with DA standards by providing a DA bracket. This bracket must schedule only one game per day and allow one day of rest if more than two games are being played. Non DA teams are allowed to play in the DA brackets.

Are DA players provided fluffers as well?

[Anonymous]

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DA teams can play in non-DA tourneys. The tourneys must comply with DA standards by providing a DA bracket. This bracket must schedule only one game per day and allow one day of rest if more than two games are being played. Non DA teams are allowed to play in the DA brackets.

Are DA players provided fluffers as well?

Said by someone who never played a full game in their life.

[Anonymous]

You are right that I have never played a game. My perspective is as a parent of a kid right on the bubble of being "elite." What I see is that college exposure is being limited to just DA and ECNL players. In other words, those whose parents are willing to spend the money and the ridiculous travel time for college exposure. High school teams won't give this exposure anymore as well. Frankly, I don't give a shit about my kid's chances on a national teal or pro teams. That's going to work for only a small number of youth soccer players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are right that I have never played a game. My perspective is as a parent of a kid right on the bubble of being "elite." What I see is that college exposure is being limited to just DA and ECNL players. In other words, those whose parents are willing to spend the money and the ridiculous travel time for college exposure. High school teams won't give this exposure anymore as well. Frankly, I don't give a shit about my kid's chances on a national teal or pro teams. That's going to work for only a small number of youth soccer players.

So, you are just bitter. Good to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a DA showcase from last weekend with an ECNL team. The local DA teams didnt fare so well

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=61166&Gender=Girls&Age=15

Showcases are coached differently than tournaments, ie team results are secondary to giving all players time in front of attending college coaches.

Here’s a question...why do so many posters on this site seem to be obsessed with the DA program failing, or at least falling short?

For the same reason most people post hate on this board. They are on the outside looking in.

[Anonymous]

it's not hard to get off the bubble and make an ECNL or GDA team if your kid does some work. and not talking bout mom taking her to soccer camp dropoff. that doesn't count.

my daughter knows about 5 girls who do anything extra. I mean real training and hard work.

lots of bitter bubble friends who don't go out and do more because it's too cold, etc, etc, blah, blah

whatever

GDA and ECNL is very obtainable

[Anonymous]

the PP doesnt want kid to be GDA or ECNL... too much travel and money. just wants colleges to come scout their kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are right that I have never played a game. My perspective is as a parent of a kid right on the bubble of being "elite." What I see is that college exposure is being limited to just DA and ECNL players. In other words, those whose parents are willing to spend the money and the ridiculous travel time for college exposure. High school teams won't give this exposure anymore as well. Frankly, I don't give a shit about my kid's chances on a national teal or pro teams. That's going to work for only a small number of youth soccer players.

So, you are just bitter. Good to know.

Travel soccer is clearly too expensive. But if a player is good enough for college soccer scholarship, they will be seen and given an opportunity. The trick is lasting that long into recruiting years. It can take work on their part to get the coaches to notice, but if they're good, they'll get a look no matter what team their on. You just have to work the phones, try to guest play, and be realistic on what level of school is in need of a player at that level.

What boggles the mind is how much families spend in time and money commuting past 2-5 perfectly find clubs on their way to whatever other club has sold them a story. This DA/ECNL/CCL/NPL/EDP/NCSL situation is the problem. There If there were consolidation of CCL/NPL/EDP/NCSL (or all the clubs in one region finally just agreed to play under one of those banners) the ecosystem would be a lot more affordable and logical.

[Anonymous]

PP here. We are currently with ASA and it seems likely that ASA will be cut out of this. Besides the travel for games it will likely add an hour for travel to training. I think DD could make an ECNL or DA team , but it's not worth the investment, particularly in time. DD will be fine, but will concentrate on a more academic path. People complain about the pay to play aspect of Travel Soccer. It seems that ECNL and DA just makes it worse, particularly if good players and teams remain outside.