Are DC schools really getting better or are they just getting whiter?

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS isn't getting better its entirely gentrification which is causing the rise

Now, DC Charters are getting better dealing with a largely lower non-gentrification black population which is impressive

If DCPS was smart they would copy what the charters are doing.

Funny that charters were a Republican idea in the first place...maybe DC needs more Republican ideas period.

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS isn't getting better its entirely gentrification which is causing the rise

Now, DC Charters are getting better dealing with a largely lower non-gentrification black population which is impressive

If DCPS was smart they would copy what the charters are doing.

Thanks for the data, it was very convincing!

The only data that charter shills need is that marketing sells.

Look it up idiots. charters taking lower SES that have been failed by DCPS for DECADES and getting RESULTS

This is just not true. The charter school movement has made things worse, by pulling more invested families from the system. And they expel students at staggering rates.

Charter Board website lists 0.3% expulsion rate for charters. Is that "staggering"? Serious question -- as the % seems low to me but I don't have a comparison. OSSE reported 99 expulsions in all of DC (charter and non-charter) for 2015-16.

Where can they send them, except back to DCPS, all children have a right to be educated at a neighborhood DCPS school
Can DCPS expel kids? Where do they go?

Charter school enrollment was 38,905 in 2015. Those 99 expulsions round off to 0.3%. So it looks like DCPS does not expel kids.

Kicking charter kids back to their home school doesn’t count as an expulsion

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find the title of this thread INCREDIBLY racist and offensive?

The racism is what drove and still drives the achievement gap. Discussing it isn't racist.

In fact the title seems the opposite of racist. The OP asked if schools were getting better, or the implied alternative is whiter but not better. It's acknowledging that whiter may be seen as better but that doesn't mean they are getting better.

Think first before you get offended.

DP. This is a really good point and I agree. Because the thread title is a question I've been asking myself about DCPS ever since the school boundary brouhaha a few years ago. Actually, I started thinking about it a few years before that, when Michelle Rhee was the chancellor.

I'm like any other parent, trying to weigh what's best for our family - except that my family is black, and that little factor changes the calculation in ways that a white parent can't even conceive. Even if I told you all the ways, a white parent would likely say that's ridiculous. And they have. Said that. To my face.

One of those ways is being offended - all the time. I had to stop reading this forum because so many posters are incapable of thinking about how offensive it is to read that many white parents would be offended if my kid showed up in their kid's classroom. Many have posted about the lengths they'd go to see if they could get my kid removed and shame his parents in the process. And this is primarily at the "good" schools in the "good" neighborhoods - all of which we could easily afford, but maybe you can understand why we'd choose to live elsewhere. And a lot white parents will get offended by that and call me racist. Okay.

I guess I'm just saying that the thread topic is a very good question. I think the answer is both - getting better and getting whiter. But I have to acknowledge the irony that it doesn't necessarily mean better for my kid. Because he's not white.

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Kicking charter kids back to their home school doesn’t count as an expulsion

Then what does?

I can see that kicking OOB kids back to their home school isn't an expulsion, they're still in the same LEA.

Since it appears that 100% of the recorded expulsions were by charters, it seems like a flawed measuring for comparison with DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS isn't getting better its entirely gentrification which is causing the rise

Now, DC Charters are getting better dealing with a largely lower non-gentrification black population which is impressive

If DCPS was smart they would copy what the charters are doing.

Thanks for the data, it was very convincing!

The only data that charter shills need is that marketing sells.

Look it up idiots. charters taking lower SES that have been failed by DCPS for DECADES and getting RESULTS

This is just not true. The charter school movement has made things worse, by pulling more invested families from the system. And they expel students at staggering rates.

Only KIPP expels as staggering rates.

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS isn't getting better its entirely gentrification which is causing the rise

Now, DC Charters are getting better dealing with a largely lower non-gentrification black population which is impressive

If DCPS was smart they would copy what the charters are doing.

Thanks for the data, it was very convincing!

The only data that charter shills need is that marketing sells.

Look it up idiots. charters taking lower SES that have been failed by DCPS for DECADES and getting RESULTS

This is just not true. The charter school movement has made things worse, by pulling more invested families from the system. And they expel students at staggering rates.

Only KIPP expels as staggering rates.

Bannaker does too

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find the title of this thread INCREDIBLY racist and offensive?

The racism is what drove and still drives the achievement gap. Discussing it isn't racist.

In fact the title seems the opposite of racist. The OP asked if schools were getting better, or the implied alternative is whiter but not better. It's acknowledging that whiter may be seen as better but that doesn't mean they are getting better.

Think first before you get offended.

DP. This is a really good point and I agree. Because the thread title is a question I've been asking myself about DCPS ever since the school boundary brouhaha a few years ago. Actually, I started thinking about it a few years before that, when Michelle Rhee was the chancellor.

I'm like any other parent, trying to weigh what's best for our family - except that my family is black, and that little factor changes the calculation in ways that a white parent can't even conceive. Even if I told you all the ways, a white parent would likely say that's ridiculous. And they have. Said that. To my face.

One of those ways is being offended - all the time. I had to stop reading this forum because so many posters are incapable of thinking about how offensive it is to read that many white parents would be offended if my kid showed up in their kid's classroom. Many have posted about the lengths they'd go to see if they could get my kid removed and shame his parents in the process. And this is primarily at the "good" schools in the "good" neighborhoods - all of which we could easily afford, but maybe you can understand why we'd choose to live elsewhere. And a lot white parents will get offended by that and call me racist. Okay.

I guess I'm just saying that the thread topic is a very good question. I think the answer is both - getting better and getting whiter. But I have to acknowledge the irony that it doesn't necessarily mean better for my kid. Because he's not white.

Sounds like you have a large chip on your shoulder and have decided to see racism where it doesn't exist. People have a hard time understanding the difference between SES and race on this forum. In DC almost all lower SES people are non-white. Plenty of people on here are classist but if you are looking out for the best for your kid as you claim to be doing you would be doing the same thing. Ask yourself do you want to interact with lower class
blacks? or do you do what almost all middle class and higher blacks do, playing the lottery going private or moving instead of attending or interacting with a largely lower SES black/hispanic school. It's not just DC PG has the same issues where almost anyone of means goes private, or magnet and avoids the public schools after elementary