GreatSchools makes segregation easy!

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Sure. But it also means that "black people prefer schools where most people are black" and "Hispanic people prefer schools that are majority Hispanic."

All of this talk in busing in Arlington, for example, never even asks what people in Four Mile Run wanted -- it was just assumed that they would be overjoyed to put their children on a bus to Yorktown HS. And look at who made the assumptions. And the one time James Lander -- a black man, mind you -- raised the suggestion that minority communities might not be thrilled with busing, either, people lost their shit.

Well, yes, given the choice between a homogeneous school in your neighborhood or a heterogeneous school where your kids are bused across town to provide the diversity, most people are going to choose the homogeneous school in the neighborhood.

That doesn't mean that the people in Four Mile Run believe that segregated schools are dandy. It means that, given two bad choices, they're choosing the one they consider less bad.

So then this isn't really even a SCHOOL POLICY issue, it's a HOUSING POLICY issue. And, again, there's this little problem about people preferring to congregate with their kind in housing communities, either due to economic factors (and income inequality) or social and cultural preferences.

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And it's not just white people. Blacks seek out other blacks. Hispanics congregate in communities with other Latinos. Entire neighborhoods spring up around ethnicities, particularly immigrant communities. These people aren't particularly interested in "diversity."

Segregation just naturally happens, like sunrise/sunset and the weather?

Birds of a feather, flock together. That saying didn't come out of nowhere. People want to be around people who are like them. That's a fundamental aspect of human nature. This current quest for "diversity" is a bit of a one-off in human history.

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Actually, what we had was forced integration for about 40 years and that worked worse. All I'm saying is you are almost certainly white and you keep calling other white people racist and copping some superiority complex by your supposed commitment to diversity, but it's never ever occurred to you to even consider what minority communities want.

It worked pretty well, actually, until we stopped "forcing" it.

Montgomery County used to have segregated public schools -- segregated by law. I've never heard any person who went to one of the Montgomery County Negro schools express regret over the end of segregation. Have you? And I don't suppose that anybody was forcing Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP to argue in favor of desegregation in schools, housing, and so on, when actually they favored continued segregation.

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Anonymous wrote:Our neighborhood school in DC (near the MD line) is predominantly AA, and is an 8 on Greatschools. There are others too (e.g., the KIPP charters). There are a few majority minority schools that yield high scores out there.

hillcrest right. Whats the plan for middle and high school? Assuming private?

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Most people prefer racially homogenous schools, though.

Says who?

um look at America???

and to the few DCUM liberals on here you don't really want diverse school. You don't mind Asians or well behaving smart blacks and Latinos.
And after elementary you will change your tune really quick.

And it's not just white people. Blacks seek out other blacks. Hispanics congregate in communities with other Latinos. Entire neighborhoods spring up around ethnicities, particularly immigrant communities. These people aren't particularly interested in "diversity."

Ok, so are you saying you are in favor of segregated schools because segregation is some kind of rule of nature? Because we had that for 100 years or so and it did not work out well.

Actually, what we had was forced integration for about 40 years and that worked worse. All I'm saying is you are almost certainly white and you keep calling other white people racist and copping some superiority complex by your supposed commitment to diversity, but it's never ever occurred to you to even consider what minority communities want.

Forced integration was worse than segregation?

Minority communities want to go back to a time when they weren't allowed in white schools?

You ought to have been better educated yourself.

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And it's not just white people. Blacks seek out other blacks. Hispanics congregate in communities with other Latinos. Entire neighborhoods spring up around ethnicities, particularly immigrant communities. These people aren't particularly interested in "diversity."

Segregation just naturally happens, like sunrise/sunset and the weather?

Birds of a feather, flock together. That saying didn't come out of nowhere. People want to be around people who are like them. That's a fundamental aspect of human nature. This current quest for "diversity" is a bit of a one-off in human history.

the only people obsessed with diversity are DCUM white liberals with too much time on their hands. If their school actually got any type of SES diversity they would be out of there in an instant such bs lolz.

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Actually, what we had was forced integration for about 40 years and that worked worse. All I'm saying is you are almost certainly white and you keep calling other white people racist and copping some superiority complex by your supposed commitment to diversity, but it's never ever occurred to you to even consider what minority communities want.

It worked pretty well, actually, until we stopped "forcing" it.

Montgomery County used to have segregated public schools -- segregated by law. I've never heard any person who went to one of the Montgomery County Negro schools express regret over the end of segregation. Have you? And I don't suppose that anybody was forcing Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP to argue in favor of desegregation in schools, housing, and so on, when actually they favored continued segregation.

THANK YOU. It is amazing how people want history to have started 40 years ago, and refuse to acknowledge anything that came before as relevant.

Housing is segregated because the entire US system was wired to give white folks an advantage in achieving home ownership, which not only created whites-only areas that remain primarily white, but also resulted in massive generational wealth transfer. The system punished neighborhoods that allowed PoC, thus actually incentivizing racism.

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Don't care about race, just intelligence

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Anonymous wrote:Our neighborhood school in DC (near the MD line) is predominantly AA, and is an 8 on Greatschools. There are others too (e.g., the KIPP charters). There are a few majority minority schools that yield high scores out there.

hillcrest right. Whats the plan for middle and high school? Assuming private?

Our neighborhood is actually zoned for Deal Middle and Wilson. Our child is young, but those seem to be the best (non-application, non-charter) options in DC.

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So then this isn't really even a SCHOOL POLICY issue, it's a HOUSING POLICY issue. And, again, there's this little problem about people preferring to congregate with their kind in housing communities, either due to economic factors (and income inequality) or social and cultural preferences.

Housing policy is school policy.

And there is a whole body of research about housing policy, in the past but also continuing into the present, whose purpose was/is to exclude people with less economic and political power from living near people with more economic and political power. Look it up some time if you want -- or not if you don't.

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And it's not just white people. Blacks seek out other blacks. Hispanics congregate in communities with other Latinos. Entire neighborhoods spring up around ethnicities, particularly immigrant communities. These people aren't particularly interested in "diversity."

Segregation just naturally happens, like sunrise/sunset and the weather?

Birds of a feather, flock together. That saying didn't come out of nowhere. People want to be around people who are like them. That's a fundamental aspect of human nature. This current quest for "diversity" is a bit of a one-off in human history.

It's also the epitome of white privilege, at least in these types of conversations.

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And it's not just white people. Blacks seek out other blacks. Hispanics congregate in communities with other Latinos. Entire neighborhoods spring up around ethnicities, particularly immigrant communities. These people aren't particularly interested in "diversity."

Segregation just naturally happens, like sunrise/sunset and the weather?

Birds of a feather, flock together. That saying didn't come out of nowhere. People want to be around people who are like them. That's a fundamental aspect of human nature. This current quest for "diversity" is a bit of a one-off in human history.

OK so is it just human nature to create white schools and legally bar non-white students from attending them? Because that's actually against the law. It may be human nature to beat your wife and steal from your neighbor too, but those are also against the law.

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Anonymous wrote:Now it used to be that if you asked around to find out which schools were the whitest, you would get some nasty accusations of racism. Not anymore! Check out GreatSchools, where ratings are nearly 100% correlated with race. The higher the number, the more white kids. The lower the number, the more black and Hispanic kids. It's that easy! And you can still tell your friends "We don't care what color the kids are. We just want the best schools." Everybody wins!


(Yes, of course I'm sarcastic. Not everybody wins. In fact, nearly all neighborhoods lose with such a targeted tool for white-flight. In the meantime, nobody learns anything about each school's principal, class size, facilities, discipline policy, philosophy, class offerings, etc. Just test scores. They're all that matters now. Am I bitter? You bet. People will say I'm just mad my school's rating dropped. Yes I am. This goddamn GreatSchools formula turns the fantastic kids at my local school into a liability -- little anchors weighing down property values. This is wrong.)

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And it's not just white people. Blacks seek out other blacks. Hispanics congregate in communities with other Latinos. Entire neighborhoods spring up around ethnicities, particularly immigrant communities. These people aren't particularly interested in "diversity."

Segregation just naturally happens, like sunrise/sunset and the weather?

Birds of a feather, flock together. That saying didn't come out of nowhere. People want to be around people who are like them. That's a fundamental aspect of human nature. This current quest for "diversity" is a bit of a one-off in human history.

the only people obsessed with diversity are DCUM white liberals with too much time on their hands. If their school actually got any type of SES diversity they would be out of there in an instant such bs lolz.

Yup.

This Latina certainly checked GS before deciding where to live.

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Most people prefer racially homogenous schools, though.

Says who?

Not PP, but says decades of social science research on why white people consider 10% kids of color to be the "tipping point."

HOWEVER, just because growing up in a deeply white supremacist society has made white people fear PoC does not mean we should give up on integration. We just need to try harder.

It is not kids of color, it is kids of low SES. And it is not 10%, it is 20%.