Barcelona Escola Friendly last night
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Anonymous
Except the highest level reached is only one VISTA team in D2 in NCSL. And "VISTA" is not a club but an affiliation of independent teams. There is no oversight, no developmental plan, just a dude who possibly coached a rec team, liked the team and somehow kept the band together to play some travel soccer. If the coach decides to stop coaching it is up to the team to find the replacement. That sounds fun. For the equivalent level of teams the prices at Loudoun Soccer range from $1000-$1500 depending on age. In some cases the $200 difference likely is not worth the potential mom and pop hassles. |
Anonymous
Listen guy, your club changes coaches every year, I was at a club once where due to the career of the coach, 20-something former college player, taking off and needing to dedicate more time to his FT position he had to quite mid-fall season. He was asked to quite because he was missing practices and games. They found another coach who already had a team, and had that coach takeover the practices and coaching games. The problem of a coach leaving isn't just for the independent club, and if the coach were to move, then he wouldn't need a replacement for his son/daughter, but otherwise the coach that were to leave would still want a coach to train his son/daughter and would probably try to find another coach. If you were to say that from one year to the next, you would might end up having to quit the team because other players leave, then there is no difference in changing clubs from one year to another. For the price, Loudoun does not charge as little as $1,000 for any travel team... Finally, for those non-believers that say $300/season is impossible, I direct you to the PWSI Classic program for $625/player for 17-2018. It requires a coach to volunteer his time and has to show some ambition in attempting to get a license, but otherwise they give you a couple tournaments in one year, give you practice fields and make it affordable. Take a peek for yourself through the link, and ask yourself if the coach for your travel team shows so much more knowledge and patience in the training and games that a volunteer(gasp!) that knows soccer just as well and has interest in their DC learning wouldn't be able to match. I have been frustrated many a time when I see the travel coach going through the motions of training, and even though the kids didn't get the point of the drill or the technique, they move on the next drill in their prescribed lesson plan. http://www.pwsi.org/Default.aspx?tabid=546276 Check out the teams as well, plenty of parents have formed teams with this affordable option. |
Anonymous
Loudoun Fees: http://www.loudounsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Travel-Fees-for-2017-2018.pdf |
Anonymous
Or you can pay $200 for a "Challenge Team" and have likely the same caliber of coaching and players as a ODSL or lower division NCSL team. But You do you, as long as you are happy with your experience that is great, but don't try and create some equivalence to all of "travel soccer". And, to bring this back to Barca and the point of this thread, there is ZERO comparison to the quality of training between, VISTA,PWSI Classic, or any volunteer parent coach to that of FCB Escola. |
Anonymous
You cherry-picked the most watered-down program for the oldest-age group, I do wonder how many young men sign up for that U19 program if they have already committed to a college program, or decided that soccer isn't for them and no sense in spending $ in the last season while they're 18-19 yo. What kind of trainer for the 'Travel 2' program do you think you're going to get? And on top there is a Team Fee that I imagine isn't negotiable so it will certainly be more around $1,200 for the year. |
Anonymous
Just on the "travel soccer" point you made, it really is about having the ability to play different teams. Your lack of knowledge about the sport is clouding your vision of how much parents can contribute to their DC development. I wouldn't compare VISTA like team with a DA or ENPL/ECNL team, but certainly a group of kids can be trained to compete against a top team in VPL/CCL/NCSL. It will take time to develop, and since they're independent teams you won't find too many talented kids being poached. I have yet to see the fruits of the FCB Escola academy, so frankly I can't speak for it, and I would argue neither can you, unless you are affiliated. |
Anonymous
I can argue that FCB is 4 months old. I can argue that a VISTA team may be able to train to compete against NPL/CCL but since they don't play in any of those leagues it doesn't matter. BUT in NCSL they do play against, in some cases, the C teams of the the clubs that are in CCL/NPL. And currently, only ONE VISTA team is as high as a D2 NCSL. Most are D3-D5. That is a LOOOOOOOOOONG way away from being competitive with CCL/NPL teams. What I do see is VISTA teams are not even being trained to dominate in a promotion/relegation league if their highest achieving team is a single D2 team. https://ssl.demosphere.com/scripts/runisa.dll?S7.66118:gp:218617.6224:73044+L3/+E+104+362674 |
Anonymous
| You folks done with the pissing match? Vista is basically a formation of independent teams so some may be good or bad. To each their own. Barca is not 4 months old, this is a new location but the training is suppose to replicate the mothership. With that being said, don't be fooled that wearing a "Barca" jersey will suddenly turn your kid into messi. Most of the kids in that program was from Evergreen which was not competitive. You pay a premium for the name and probably get worked by most of the clubs in the area. They have a few teams playing this weekend in Williamsburg, let's see what they can do. |
Anonymous
Not to prolong the pissing match, but can we please not pretend "CCL/NPL" is one level? There's Loudoun and Arlington, and there are occasional good teams from other clubs. It's not as if Great Falls, Gunston, Roanoke Star and Tidewater Sharks suddenly surpassed Herndon or Alexandria in every age group when they joined the "elite" leagues. |
Anonymous
Shhhh, you're not supposed to say that... |
Anonymous
Looking at the VISTA teams, they don't do that bad. Their younger age groups aren't that far down the Divisions and the older age groups are Div1-3. Now. that being said, as you get older the good players move away from NCSL, but still I would say for volunteer driven teams, they are doing better than expected. http://www.ncsl-soccer.com/teams/club/15599479.html |
Anonymous
The Shenandoah FC team went from Div4 to Div2 from SP17 to FA17 Same for VISTA Barcelona 06 team Div4 to Div 2 from SP17 to FA17 VISTA Mambas stayed in Div4 this year, but in FA16 were in Div6 VISTA Spartans went from DIv4 to Div3 SP17 to FA17 VISTA Barrio Boys and VISTA Blackwatch are both in Div1 in U16 and U19, respectively So yes, overall not impressive, but I cannot say that again, these volunteer driven teams, are not competitive in the 'travel soccer' landscape that in NoVA. I think a few of these teams could go against a few NPL/CCL teams, maybe not the Richmond Strikers or Kickers of VPL or the Arl. or Loud of CCL, but some of other teams, and not only compete but win. |
Anonymous
The training with this group of kids is only 4 months implemented. Don’t be so stupid, these are kids and training isn’t magic, it takes time. |
Anonymous
They have trained together as much as any other team. He shuffle happens every year so the give me that BS, none of these kids are new to travel soccer. Keep paying for the brand. |
Anonymous
You won a scrimmage congrats. |