Is the Parent Referral worthwhile? If yes, suggestions on the types of submissions

[Anonymous]

NP. My DS got a 132 on the NNAT and we don't have his Cogat score yet. This thread hasn't cleared up anything for me. Should we fill out the one page paper? Get two (or more?) work samples together?

The packet from parents is due January 12. Does it matter if DC is in pool or not? When do we hear? When do we appeal, if we choose to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. My DS got a 132 on the NNAT and we don't have his Cogat score yet. This thread hasn't cleared up anything for me. Should we fill out the one page paper? Get two (or more?) work samples together?

The packet from parents is due January 12. Does it matter if DC is in pool or not? When do we hear? When do we appeal, if we choose to?

You should be in pool. Do the parent questionnaire. 2 work samples (the other 2 school will do).

You should get a pool letter by the first week of January.

If you don't get in the first round, the appeal due is May.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. My DS got a 132 on the NNAT and we don't have his Cogat score yet. This thread hasn't cleared up anything for me. Should we fill out the one page paper? Get two (or more?) work samples together?

The packet from parents is due January 12. Does it matter if DC is in pool or not? When do we hear? When do we appeal, if we choose to?

You should be in pool. Do the parent questionnaire. 2 work samples (the other 2 school will do).

You should get a pool letter by the first week of January.

If you don't get in the first round, the appeal due is May.

Agree with all of this, except that you don't know for sure what the in pool cut off score is (it can vary by year) until they announce it, which will be very close to 1/12. Last year parent referrals / optional work samples were due 1/13/17 and I didn't get in pool letter until 1/14. You can go back and see the old threads here - when people received cogat scores and in pool letters varied by school (it all occurred around the week of 1/9/17).

Anyone can submit work samples - in pool or not, so pull together if you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. My DS got a 132 on the NNAT and we don't have his Cogat score yet. This thread hasn't cleared up anything for me. Should we fill out the one page paper? Get two (or more?) work samples together?

The packet from parents is due January 12. Does it matter if DC is in pool or not? When do we hear? When do we appeal, if we choose to?

You should be in pool. Do the parent questionnaire. 2 work samples (the other 2 school will do).

You should get a pool letter by the first week of January.

If you don't get in the first round, the appeal due is May.

Agree with all of this, except that you don't know for sure what the in pool cut off score is (it can vary by year) until they announce it, which will be very close to 1/12. Last year parent referrals / optional work samples were due 1/13/17 and I didn't get in pool letter until 1/14. You can go back and see the old threads here - when people received cogat scores and in pool letters varied by school (it all occurred around the week of 1/9/17).

Anyone can submit work samples - in pool or not, so pull together if you want.

General cut-off score mentioned is 132/133 so your child is on border. You should submit the referral. My child has higher score and we are submitting the referral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. My DS got a 132 on the NNAT and we don't have his Cogat score yet. This thread hasn't cleared up anything for me. Should we fill out the one page paper? Get two (or more?) work samples together?

The packet from parents is due January 12. Does it matter if DC is in pool or not? When do we hear? When do we appeal, if we choose to?

Just fill out the referral form. You only need a couple paragraphs as to why you think your child needs level IV services, so it's not exactly difficult to produce. The only downside to submitting the referral form is the small expenditure of time on your part for a form that might not end up being reviewed by the committee. Even then, if you're going to spend more than 20 minutes worrying about whether you should fill out the form, then it would be a better use of that time to just fill out the form.

[Anonymous]

Keep in mind, each committee member spends about 5 minutes TOTAL reviewing each file.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind, each committee member spends about 5 minutes TOTAL reviewing each file.

Someone once told me she didn't think the parental submissions held much weight so I shouldn't stress about it and I think she's right but I still over analyzed it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind, each committee member spends about 5 minutes TOTAL reviewing each file.

I assumed that they were spending around 10 seconds at most looking at each work sample. So, unless the sample obviously looks advanced from a very brief glance, it's not really going to help the file at all. They're not going to spend enough time to actually judge the work sample for content or outside-the-box thinking. I think the same is true with awards. If it's something that is at a glance impressive, include it. If it's not immediately obvious that it's impressive, it's probably not going to help.

That being said, I wonder whether parent submissions at all influence how the local school committee views your child when preparing the GBRS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind, each committee member spends about 5 minutes TOTAL reviewing each file.

I assumed that they were spending around 10 seconds at most looking at each work sample. So, unless the sample obviously looks advanced from a very brief glance, it's not really going to help the file at all. They're not going to spend enough time to actually judge the work sample for content or outside-the-box thinking. I think the same is true with awards. If it's something that is at a glance impressive, include it. If it's not immediately obvious that it's impressive, it's probably not going to help.

That being said, I wonder whether parent submissions at all influence how the local school committee views your child when preparing the GBRS.

By the way, did everyone go to your AAP information meeting? Was it worth going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind, each committee member spends about 5 minutes TOTAL reviewing each file.

I assumed that they were spending around 10 seconds at most looking at each work sample. So, unless the sample obviously looks advanced from a very brief glance, it's not really going to help the file at all. They're not going to spend enough time to actually judge the work sample for content or outside-the-box thinking. I think the same is true with awards. If it's something that is at a glance impressive, include it. If it's not immediately obvious that it's impressive, it's probably not going to help.

That being said, I wonder whether parent submissions at all influence how the local school committee views your child when preparing the GBRS.

I was wondering whether they saw what I supplied when preparing the GBRS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind, each committee member spends about 5 minutes TOTAL reviewing each file.

I assumed that they were spending around 10 seconds at most looking at each work sample. So, unless the sample obviously looks advanced from a very brief glance, it's not really going to help the file at all. They're not going to spend enough time to actually judge the work sample for content or outside-the-box thinking. I think the same is true with awards. If it's something that is at a glance impressive, include it. If it's not immediately obvious that it's impressive, it's probably not going to help.

That being said, I wonder whether parent submissions at all influence how the local school committee views your child when preparing the GBRS.

I was wondering whether they saw what I supplied when preparing the GBRS

Our school AART mentioned that they spent average of 4 hours per file before sending it to center.

[Anonymous]

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Our school AART mentioned that they spent average of 4 hours per file before sending it to center.

They really should streamline the whole process by automatically accepting any kids who are above a GBRS and test scores threshold. (like 132 cogat + 12 GBRS = IN; 128 cogat + 14 GBRS = IN; 136 cogat + 10 GBRS = IN, or something like that). It would both increase transparency for the system and decrease some unnecessary expenditure of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Our school AART mentioned that they spent average of 4 hours per file before sending it to center.

They really should streamline the whole process by automatically accepting any kids who are above a GBRS and test scores threshold. (like 132 cogat + 12 GBRS = IN; 128 cogat + 14 GBRS = IN; 136 cogat + 10 GBRS = IN, or something like that). It would both increase transparency for the system and decrease some unnecessary expenditure of time.

Don't you see from your own examples that there are far too many combinations to list them all as being baseline for granting admission? Additionally, since the baseline of being in the pool every year can change, they can't have baselines for admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Our school AART mentioned that they spent average of 4 hours per file before sending it to center.

They really should streamline the whole process by automatically accepting any kids who are above a GBRS and test scores threshold. (like 132 cogat + 12 GBRS = IN; 128 cogat + 14 GBRS = IN; 136 cogat + 10 GBRS = IN, or something like that). It would both increase transparency for the system and decrease some unnecessary expenditure of time.

Don't you see from your own examples that there are far too many combinations to list them all as being baseline for granting admission? Additionally, since the baseline of being in the pool every year can change, they can't have baselines for admission.

It would be a pretty basic math formula, such as 2 * GBRS + CogAT >= 156 = IN. Or if they want to be even simpler, they could pick a score threshold, have the school flag kids as belonging in AAP, and then streamline those kids right in, with the holistic review being saved for the kids who didn't make the initial cut. There's no need to overcomplicate the process or inject so much subjectivity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Our school AART mentioned that they spent average of 4 hours per file before sending it to center.

They really should streamline the whole process by automatically accepting any kids who are above a GBRS and test scores threshold. (like 132 cogat + 12 GBRS = IN; 128 cogat + 14 GBRS = IN; 136 cogat + 10 GBRS = IN, or something like that). It would both increase transparency for the system and decrease some unnecessary expenditure of time.

Don't you see from your own examples that there are far too many combinations to list them all as being baseline for granting admission? Additionally, since the baseline of being in the pool every year can change, they can't have baselines for admission.

It would be a pretty basic math formula, such as 2 * GBRS + CogAT >= 156 = IN. Or if they want to be even simpler, they could pick a score threshold, have the school flag kids as belonging in AAP, and then streamline those kids right in, with the holistic review being saved for the kids who didn't make the initial cut. There's no need to overcomplicate the process or inject so much subjectivity.

Reading this forums here is what I understand current formula

1. Cogat or NNAT > 132 AND GBRS > 12
2. WISC Score > 130-135