Is the Parent Referral worthwhile? If yes, suggestions on the types of submissions

[Anonymous]

I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Yes you can submit it but the central committee doesn't review the referral form if they have to review it as the pool file.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Yes you can submit it but the central committee doesn't review the referral form if they have to review it as the pool file.

Wrong by they review the referral form in all files that have it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Interesting. They probably review the in pool submissions then the parent referral submissions separately. I could be wrong but on the AAP application calendar timeline, GBRS for in pool candidates are due one week or so before the parent referral GBRS..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Interesting. They probably review the in pool submissions then the parent referral submissions separately. I could be wrong but on the AAP application calendar timeline, GBRS for in pool candidates are due one week or so before the parent referral GBRS..

In pool candidacy is not determined until February.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Interesting. They probably review the in pool submissions then the parent referral submissions separately. I could be wrong but on the AAP application calendar timeline, GBRS for in pool candidates are due one week or so before the parent referral GBRS..

This is contrary to what our AAP teacher said at the information session. According to her there is no difference in the files and the committee cannot tell who was a parent referral and who was in the pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Interesting. They probably review the in pool submissions then the parent referral submissions separately. I could be wrong but on the AAP application calendar timeline, GBRS for in pool candidates are due one week or so before the parent referral GBRS..

This is contrary to what our AAP teacher said at the information session. According to her there is no difference in the files and the committee cannot tell who was a parent referral and who was in the pool.

Of course they can tell. First they see the scores. Second the in pool ones won't all have a parent referral form in the packet. And I've seen my kid's packet - in pool and I didn't submit a parent referral and a friend's - whose kid was not in pool and I saw the parent referral letter included in the email packet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Interesting. They probably review the in pool submissions then the parent referral submissions separately. I could be wrong but on the AAP application calendar timeline, GBRS for in pool candidates are due one week or so before the parent referral GBRS..

In pool candidacy is not determined until February.

It was mid January last year and the year before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Interesting. They probably review the in pool submissions then the parent referral submissions separately. I could be wrong but on the AAP application calendar timeline, GBRS for in pool candidates are due one week or so before the parent referral GBRS..

This is contrary to what our AAP teacher said at the information session. According to her there is no difference in the files and the committee cannot tell who was a parent referral and who was in the pool.

Of course they can tell. First they see the scores. Second the in pool ones won't all have a parent referral form in the packet. And I've seen my kid's packet - in pool and I didn't submit a parent referral and a friend's - whose kid was not in pool and I saw the parent referral letter included in the email packet.

This is consistent with my understanding. The question is if your child is in pool and you still submit a referral form, would that be deleted or disregarded by local committee or central committee? Just wondering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just checked the copy of of th packet submitted to ththe central office and it does include the parent referral form even though dc was in the pool.

Interesting. They probably review the in pool submissions then the parent referral submissions separately. I could be wrong but on the AAP application calendar timeline, GBRS for in pool candidates are due one week or so before the parent referral GBRS..

This is contrary to what our AAP teacher said at the information session. According to her there is no difference in the files and the committee cannot tell who was a parent referral and who was in the pool.

Of course they can tell. First they see the scores. Second the in pool ones won't all have a parent referral form in the packet. And I've seen my kid's packet - in pool and I didn't submit a parent referral and a friend's - whose kid was not in pool and I saw the parent referral letter included in the email packet.

This is consistent with my understanding. The question is if your child is in pool and you still submit a referral form, would that be deleted or disregarded by local committee or central committee? Just wondering.

I would be curious to know too. Who could tell us? I guess an AART.

[Anonymous]

I asked for the packet that was sent and the parent referral information was definitely included. I don't understand why people think it wouldn't be included. That would put kids who aren't in pool at an advantage. There are in pool kids who don't get into AAP. The only way I would see them not reviewing supplementary info is if all in pool kids were admitted.

I do think the timing is ridiculous. They should absolutely let parents know if a child is in pool well in advance of the referral forms bring due. The current timelines just create a lot of extra work for everyone.

Also, I think they should raise standards for being in pool and just admit everyone in pool and the ones not in pool can submit the complete package.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked for the packet that was sent and the parent referral information was definitely included. I don't understand why people think it wouldn't be included. That would put kids who aren't in pool at an advantage. There are in pool kids who don't get into AAP. The only way I would see them not reviewing supplementary info is if all in pool kids were admitted.

I do think the timing is ridiculous. They should absolutely let parents know if a child is in pool well in advance of the referral forms bring due. The current timelines just create a lot of extra work for everyone.

Also, I think they should raise standards for being in pool and just admit everyone in pool and the ones not in pool can submit the complete package.

You probably mean all the other supplemental information, not the referral form itself which is not supposed to be reviewed by the central committee for a pool file (that's just their procedure).

That idea basically suggests to pick some kids solely based on test scores. Some other states or districts do but not Fairfax County, they try to look at other factors and academic qualities for everyone and I think that's fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked for the packet that was sent and the parent referral information was definitely included. I don't understand why people think it wouldn't be included. That would put kids who aren't in pool at an advantage. There are in pool kids who don't get into AAP. The only way I would see them not reviewing supplementary info is if all in pool kids were admitted.

I do think the timing is ridiculous. They should absolutely let parents know if a child is in pool well in advance of the referral forms bring due. The current timelines just create a lot of extra work for everyone.

Also, I think they should raise standards for being in pool and just admit everyone in pool and the ones not in pool can submit the complete package.

You probably mean all the other supplemental information, not the referral form itself which is not supposed to be reviewed by the central committee for a pool file (that's just their procedure).

That idea basically suggests to pick some kids solely based on test scores. Some other states or districts do but not Fairfax County, they try to look at other factors and academic qualities for everyone and I think that's fair.

Maybe PP can clarify. I thought she was saying they did not pull the parent referral form out of her kid's packet even after the child found to be in pool on test scores.

In other words, i thought she mean she still saw this form in her kid's in pool submission packet that she had submitted before learning the kid was in pool:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/AAPLevelIVReferralForm_0.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked for the packet that was sent and the parent referral information was definitely included. I don't understand why people think it wouldn't be included. That would put kids who aren't in pool at an advantage. There are in pool kids who don't get into AAP. The only way I would see them not reviewing supplementary info is if all in pool kids were admitted.

I do think the timing is ridiculous. They should absolutely let parents know if a child is in pool well in advance of the referral forms bring due. The current timelines just create a lot of extra work for everyone.

Also, I think they should raise standards for being in pool and just admit everyone in pool and the ones not in pool can submit the complete package.

You probably mean all the other supplemental information, not the referral form itself which is not supposed to be reviewed by the central committee for a pool file (that's just their procedure).

That idea basically suggests to pick some kids solely based on test scores. Some other states or districts do but not Fairfax County, they try to look at other factors and academic qualities for everyone and I think that's fair.

Maybe PP can clarify. I thought she was saying they did not pull the parent referral form out of her kid's packet even after the child found to be in pool on test scores.

In other words, i thought she mean she still saw this form in her kid's in pool submission packet that she had submitted before learning the kid was in pool:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/AAPLevelIVReferralForm_0.pdf

If you request your file, that's what was kept by a local committee but not necessarily what's submitted to in February or actually reviewed by the central committee in March. I think that's the discrepancy that was not clearly understood by many parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I asked for the packet that was sent and the parent referral information was definitely included. I don't understand why people think it wouldn't be included. That would put kids who aren't in pool at an advantage. There are in pool kids who don't get into AAP. The only way I would see them not reviewing supplementary info is if all in pool kids were admitted.

I do think the timing is ridiculous. They should absolutely let parents know if a child is in pool well in advance of the referral forms bring due. The current timelines just create a lot of extra work for everyone.

Also, I think they should raise standards for being in pool and just admit everyone in pool and the ones not in pool can submit the complete package.

You probably mean all the other supplemental information, not the referral form itself which is not supposed to be reviewed by the central committee for a pool file (that's just their procedure).

That idea basically suggests to pick some kids solely based on test scores. Some other states or districts do but not Fairfax County, they try to look at other factors and academic qualities for everyone and I think that's fair.

Maybe PP can clarify. I thought she was saying they did not pull the parent referral form out of her kid's packet even after the child found to be in pool on test scores.

In other words, i thought she mean she still saw this form in her kid's in pool submission packet that she had submitted before learning the kid was in pool:
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/AAPLevelIVReferralForm_0.pdf

Local committees separate their files (pool vs referral files) before they submit to the central committee. The assumption is that pool candidates have a higher chance of acceptance than parent referral candidates although referral by teachers/schools may be treated differently than parent referrals. For pool file reviews, the central committee is not supposed to review referral forms and that's their procedure. You can still submit the form and no one stops you, but it will be disregarded when the central committee reviews as the pool file.

If you request your file, that's what was kept by a local committee but not necessarily what's submitted to in February or actually reviewed by the central committee in March. I think that's the discrepancy that was not clearly understood by many parents.