If you are Spanish, Portuguese or Brazilian...

[Anonymous]

Why don't they get rid of all of this racial and ethnic hair splitting and use a holistic approach that gives extra consideration to those of any race/ethnicity who come from a more disadvantaged socioeconomic background?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't they get rid of all of this racial and ethnic hair splitting and use a holistic approach that gives extra consideration to those of any race/ethnicity who come from a more disadvantaged socioeconomic background?

Because the rationale for AA is about more than socioeconomic leveling?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless there is an in person interview, the schools won't know you before the admission decision.

A lot of schools are getting savvy and compare your declared ethnicity with your student activities and social media. A person who says they are Latina, belonged to the Hispanic Student Alliance, interned at CASA de Maryland, and has at least some SM posts about being Latina is more credible than the one who claims a Mexican grandmother, but has no prior connections to the Hispanic community. When I taught HS, we saw some white families attempt to suddenly claim Native American ancestry so we counter-balanced by creating after school clubs and documentable community connections for our Native, AA, and Latinx students.

Sorry, but no. My kid, who is 100% Latina, raised by two Colombians (aka my husband and I, who immigrated here as young adults) should not have to join certain clubs or post about being Colombia/Latina on Facebook (WTF would that even entail?!) just to "prove" she is, in fact, Latina to some admissions committees. That's just absurd.

Because a lot of people in these Latin American countries are as white and European as any white person in this country. It's just that their Spanish, German, or Italian ancestors first settled in Latin America, while some of ours came directly to the US. Why should they get rewarded for this? The Hispanic designation has become a joke in this regard because it is based on the common Spanish language and therefore includes a lot of lily white people. I worked with a blonde blue eyed lady who claimed that she was Hispanic because her German relatives settled in Cuba. What a joke!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't they get rid of all of this racial and ethnic hair splitting and use a holistic approach that gives extra consideration to those of any race/ethnicity who come from a more disadvantaged socioeconomic background?

Because the rationale for AA is about more than socioeconomic leveling?

And how does giving admission preference to a bunch of white kids who have Spanish European ancestry advance whatever rationale (other than "socioeconomic leveling") for AA there is? It certainly does not advance diversity, nor does it cure under representation or serve as a reparation for any past wrongs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a problem owned by the student. It's owned by the college.

A binary variable: Hispanic or not.

We have contacted admissions offices, and we have been assured that having a grandparent from Central America is sufficient to check the Hispanic box.

We are perfectly willing to supply any further info the school needs to consider in their decision.

But a grandparent from Spain? That just seems silly.

+1. Then why can't any of us who have Southern European ancestry claim to be "Latin." My ancestry is from Italy, where "Latin" originated for God's sake, and I can't even claim this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So a rich white kid from a wealthy white family in Argentina or Chile or Uruguay (which are among the "whitest" countries in the world, ironically), can claim to be Hispanic and gain AA benefits?

Anonymous wrote:The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race"

As it is I suspect the admissions panels are pretty good at spotting the difference between a white Hispanic and non-white Hispanic. I doubt a white applicant whose parents came to America from Spain or Argentina is going to get much of a boost, if any.

How would they even know? Most schools don't meet with applicants in-person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a problem owned by the student. It's owned by the college.

A binary variable: Hispanic or not.

We have contacted admissions offices, and we have been assured that having a grandparent from Central America is sufficient to check the Hispanic box.

We are perfectly willing to supply any further info the school needs to consider in their decision.

But a grandparent from Spain? That just seems silly.

+1. Then why can't any of us who have Southern European ancestry claim to be "Latin." My ancestry is from Italy, where "Latin" originated for God's sake, and I can't even claim this!

Race forms are stupid and driven by politics. That's way.

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are no less "white" than James Gandolfini. And Italians certainly faced discrimination through the mid-20th century. But, for some reason, Italians are "white" while white guys with Hispanic names are "people of color."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a problem owned by the student. It's owned by the college.

A binary variable: Hispanic or not.

We have contacted admissions offices, and we have been assured that having a grandparent from Central America is sufficient to check the Hispanic box.

We are perfectly willing to supply any further info the school needs to consider in their decision.

But a grandparent from Spain? That just seems silly.

+1. Then why can't any of us who have Southern European ancestry claim to be "Latin." My ancestry is from Italy, where "Latin" originated for God's sake, and I can't even claim this!

Race forms are stupid and driven by politics. That's way.

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are no less "white" than James Gandolfini. And Italians certainly faced discrimination through the mid-20th century. But, for some reason, Italians are "white" while white guys with Hispanic names are "people of color."

+1. Funny how the descendents of the same Spaniards who did a lot of nasty things to the indigenous peoples of South and Central America now get to share in their affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

This thread is pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't they get rid of all of this racial and ethnic hair splitting and use a holistic approach that gives extra consideration to those of any race/ethnicity who come from a more disadvantaged socioeconomic background?

Because the rationale for AA is about more than socioeconomic leveling?

And how does giving admission preference to a bunch of white kids who have Spanish European ancestry advance whatever rationale (other than "socioeconomic leveling") for AA there is? It certainly does not advance diversity, nor does it cure under representation or serve as a reparation for any past wrongs.

One rationale is to produce ethnically diverse leaders/elites so that our governoring class does not look homogenous, bc the appearance of exclusion at that level has negative implications for social stability.

[Anonymous]

^^^ governing class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't they get rid of all of this racial and ethnic hair splitting and use a holistic approach that gives extra consideration to those of any race/ethnicity who come from a more disadvantaged socioeconomic background?

Because the rationale for AA is about more than socioeconomic leveling?

And how does giving admission preference to a bunch of white kids who have Spanish European ancestry advance whatever rationale (other than "socioeconomic leveling") for AA there is? It certainly does not advance diversity, nor does it cure under representation or serve as a reparation for any past wrongs.

One rationale is to produce ethnically diverse leaders/elites so that our governoring class does not look homogenous, bc the appearance of exclusion at that level has negative implications for social stability.

Again, how does giving preferences to white European Spanish kids accomplish this objective. Answer: it doesn't.

[Anonymous]

Are you people 100% positive that Spaniards like to be referred to as hispanics and not Europeans? Does the term Hispanic even exist in Spain ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you people 100% positive that Spaniards like to be referred to as hispanics and not Europeans? Does the term Hispanic even exist in Spain ?

Spaniards are as European as British, Swedish, or French people.

[Anonymous]

Affirmative Action (de facto) policies should be applied fairly and proportionately and not, as currently, for the predominant benefit and avarice of Whites over the last 400 years. Over the last 50 years, feeble attempts at inclusion, are angering greedy Whites so used to being the only game in town. This is the naked essence of Charlottesville.