I'd like to tell Sheryl Sandberg to STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. You sound like you have anger issues. Save your vitriol for people who really do damage to the position of women (who argue against health coverage for basic health services for women, defend or protect those who commit sexual assaults etc.)

Agree!

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Anonymous wrote:Have you actually read her stuff?

I am 50/50 with liking what she has to say and not liking what she has to say.

I read "Lean in"... I plan to read her new book... does she have "other stuff"?

She has already admitted "Lean in" was totally tone deaf and it assumed that women had the same support system she had.

I wanted to highlight sections and leave notes on why it was tone deaf and send it to her .... but why, it literally takes your H dying to get it.

One of the most interesting and meaningful commencement addresses I have ever read was the one she gave last May at the University of California (http://www.businessinsider.com/sheryl-sandberg-berkeley-commencement-speech-2016-5). It was the first time she had spoken publicly about her husband's death and the after-effects on her and her children.

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Anonymous wrote:I see why she annoys people. But I also she's calling out some pretty real shit and people don't like hearing it. The idea that who you marry will be the most important decision you make in terms of your career couldn't be more spot on.

That's a fact. It reminds me of my former boss who is now in very high up executive position in the finance. When I worked for her, she was married and so was our big boss. She was sleeping with him. After they divorced, she married the big boss - sort of upgraded her husband and her career took off like a shooting star. She looks really successful, but what she did to get there is sick. I wouldn't want my daughter to get career advice from her.

Wow, how irrelevant. So you know a woman who slept with a married man and ultimately married him which helped her career. I know you know this, but that's not the point Sheryl Sandberg was making in the least.

No, it is totally relevant because most women who make it to the top had a mentor relationship, where sex is the currency . Women don't like to acknowledge this fact, but even in 2017, it's not who you know, it's who you blow - (latest example Fox News). I wonder who Sheryl blew to get her career breaks.

This is such utter bullshit it is almost not worth responding to. In fact, yeah. Never mind.

Women don't like to acknowledge it, but that the way things work very often. It's illegal in many/most cases so it's like the elephant in the board room that no one likes to talk about.

Oh yes, any women who make it to the top slept with a dude to get there and don't forget any minority who has a senior level job just got the job because he or she is a minority. Right?? The only people who really got their jobs based on merit are white guys.

Excellent contribution to the discussion PP. Solid points.

You are naive. Take off your rose colored glasses girl. Ha!

Nope. But you are a pathetic. I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to be successful any place but on your back. Your experiences there are not the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:I see why she annoys people. But I also she's calling out some pretty real shit and people don't like hearing it. The idea that who you marry will be the most important decision you make in terms of your career couldn't be more spot on.

That's a fact. It reminds me of my former boss who is now in very high up executive position in the finance. When I worked for her, she was married and so was our big boss. She was sleeping with him. After they divorced, she married the big boss - sort of upgraded her husband and her career took off like a shooting star. She looks really successful, but what she did to get there is sick. I wouldn't want my daughter to get career advice from her.

Wow, how irrelevant. So you know a woman who slept with a married man and ultimately married him which helped her career. I know you know this, but that's not the point Sheryl Sandberg was making in the least.

No, it is totally relevant because most women who make it to the top had a mentor relationship, where sex is the currency . Women don't like to acknowledge this fact, but even in 2017, it's not who you know, it's who you blow - (latest example Fox News). I wonder who Sheryl blew to get her career breaks.

This is such utter bullshit it is almost not worth responding to. In fact, yeah. Never mind.

Women don't like to acknowledge it, but that the way things work very often. It's illegal in many/most cases so it's like the elephant in the board room that no one likes to talk about.

Oh yes, any women who make it to the top slept with a dude to get there and don't forget any minority who has a senior level job just got the job because he or she is a minority. Right?? The only people who really got their jobs based on merit are white guys.

Excellent contribution to the discussion PP. Solid points.

You are naive. Take off your rose colored glasses girl. Ha!

Nope. But you are a pathetic. I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to be successful any place but on your back. Your experiences there are not the norm.

I am a Feminist and I've had a long career so I've seen a lot, I know a lot of brilliant, educated women. I think women can be successful via hard work and talent. Many will get to the middle. It's very difficult for women to get to the top without extreme ambition and help. Hey we almost had a woman in the top job in the USA - the White House. That is the reality of the world. I'm sorry that it's like that, but it is. Don't believe me? Go look at the top management teams at big companies - what do you see?

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I really don't care what some rich woman has to say about life. I do my best and I can't serve up any anger for all the voices out there who would tell me what I'm doing wrong.

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I'm surprised. Of course her message is a bit narrow and definitely doesn't speak to everyone's challenges and obstacles. But, all of this vitriol and scorn is really over the top.

I read her book and felt that it was interesting and helpful to my own life and understanding my wife's. I particularly got a lot out of the "make your partner a real partner" section. Neither of us felt like every single conclusion/recommendation of the book was perfect, but we did find it to be a helpful and constructive framework on which to map our own lives.

I would never recommend it as the solution for "everyone". But, I don't think Sandberg ever made that claim either. It's targeted at a specific demo with specific challenges. If that isn't you, just move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised. Of course her message is a bit narrow and definitely doesn't speak to everyone's challenges and obstacles. But, all of this vitriol and scorn is really over the top.

I read her book and felt that it was interesting and helpful to my own life and understanding my wife's. I particularly got a lot out of the "make your partner a real partner" section. Neither of us felt like every single conclusion/recommendation of the book was perfect, but we did find it to be a helpful and constructive framework on which to map our own lives.

I would never recommend it as the solution for "everyone". But, I don't think Sandberg ever made that claim either. It's targeted at a specific demo with specific challenges. If that isn't you, just move on.

You being a man, it's difficult for you to understand why her writing gets under women's skin. She lacks a commonality with most women. It would be as if Donald Trump wrote a book for men on how to make millions. Oh wait, I think he did write some books like that. Did you read them? Did they resonate with you?

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I heard her on a program on public radio this morning, talking about a new book on grief. It sounded interesting, and I might check it out, but something about her always rubs me the wrong way too. I'm a woman, and she just seems to think all women (or men, for that matter) have it as good as she does.

Even though she was discussing her grief experience and the difficulty of going back to work, she did not mention how good she has it getting off more than a couple of days (10 days, plus having an understanding CEO) When my friend's mother died, she received 3 days...And was eventually fired from her job for taking too much time off to deal with the estate.

She may have some good points for women who have been able to almost make it close to the top. For the rest of us, the tone is not very understanding.

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That's a fact. It reminds me of my former boss who is now in very high up executive position in the finance. When I worked for her, she was married and so was our big boss. She was sleeping with him. After they divorced, she married the big boss - sort of upgraded her husband and her career took off like a shooting star. She looks really successful, but what she did to get there is sick. I wouldn't want my daughter to get career advice from her.

Wow, how irrelevant. So you know a woman who slept with a married man and ultimately married him which helped her career. I know you know this, but that's not the point Sheryl Sandberg was making in the least.

No, it is totally relevant because most women who make it to the top had a mentor relationship, where sex is the currency . Women don't like to acknowledge this fact, but even in 2017, it's not who you know, it's who you blow - (latest example Fox News). I wonder who Sheryl blew to get her career breaks.

This is such utter bullshit it is almost not worth responding to. In fact, yeah. Never mind.

Women don't like to acknowledge it, but that the way things work very often. It's illegal in many/most cases so it's like the elephant in the board room that no one likes to talk about.

Oh yes, any women who make it to the top slept with a dude to get there and don't forget any minority who has a senior level job just got the job because he or she is a minority. Right?? The only people who really got their jobs based on merit are white guys.

Excellent contribution to the discussion PP. Solid points.

You are naive. Take off your rose colored glasses girl. Ha!

Nope. But you are a pathetic. I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to be successful any place but on your back. Your experiences there are not the norm.

I am a Feminist and I've had a long career so I've seen a lot, I know a lot of brilliant, educated women. I think women can be successful via hard work and talent. Many will get to the middle. It's very difficult for women to get to the top without extreme ambition and help. Hey we almost had a woman in the top job in the USA - the White House. That is the reality of the world. I'm sorry that it's like that, but it is. Don't believe me? Go look at the top management teams at big companies - what do you see?

What does any of that have to do with you sleeping around at work? You clearly don't think women are successful unless they do the boss, you've said it repeatedly. Again, your behavior is NOT the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard her on a program on public radio this morning, talking about a new book on grief. It sounded interesting, and I might check it out, but something about her always rubs me the wrong way too. I'm a woman, and she just seems to think all women (or men, for that matter) have it as good as she does.

Even though she was discussing her grief experience and the difficulty of going back to work, she did not mention how good she has it getting off more than a couple of days (10 days, plus having an understanding CEO) When my friend's mother died, she received 3 days...And was eventually fired from her job for taking too much time off to deal with the estate.

She may have some good points for women who have been able to almost make it close to the top. For the rest of us, the tone is not very understanding.

I didn't listen to the show because the way it was advertised drove me nuts. In promos, the host said something like, "call and tell us how you've grown as a result of personal tragedy." Seriously? Now we're competing over how we handle tragedy? It's not enough just to survive; you have to grow? But maybe that was just him and not Sandberg.

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I love her.

I didn't agree with every word of Lean In, but I think the book did a lot to open up the public dialogue about the challenges women face in the workplace. I'm grateful for the conversations it started around me with both male colleagues and female friends.

The organization related to the book does a lot of good educational material like the McKinsey study that shine a spotlight on these issues.

I think the loss of her husband is devastatingly terrible and, regardless of her privilege, I found it admirable that she spoke so publicly about it throughout the grieving process - and now in a book just 2 years later. I've learned a lot from the book and her posts that has helped me better support grieving friends.

So yeah, she's not perfect and sometimes out-of-touch, but I think she's a pretty impressive person that's done some good in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the minority, but I like her.

I like her too and liked her first book even though I am not a target audience.

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I like her too and liked her first book even though I am not a target audience.

*her target audience*

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Anonymous wrote:Wow OP. I feel the same way about her. She acts like she's had it hard. Well, her father was a doctor and they grew up very well off. She has no idea what most of us go through trying to pay for college when we're middle class (parents make "too much" for aid but can't pay a dime to help) and we all don't have fancy jobs.

Her telling women to "lean in" is so full of doo doo. I feel bad her DH died, but she acts like she's the only one in the world who has experienced loss.

All I can saw is "EWW: and I thought I was the only one. You made my day OP.

Didn't she have an amazing mentor who basically gave her the golden kiss and then everything was handed to her? Of course she had to work hard, but some of us never even get that "in" and are stuck with never getting a chance or battling for every position, promotion, etc.

Yes. His name is Larry Summers, perhaps you've heard of him.

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Anonymous wrote:She has been on every TV news magazine and morning show this week. I hated her lean in stuff, although she admits she didn't really get how impractical and insulting that was for many women and especially single mothers (like me) until now that she is widowed. Still, there is something shrill and annoying about her. Not a fan.

That touches on what annoys me about her. She writes about where she is in life as if either she is the first person to do this and/or there is no other way. Now that she is experiencing something new and very different for the first time, she gets how off she was before, and gosh! life can be different for different people depending on so many factors. She really came across as obtuse in her first book (kind of like an overexcited first time mom comes across to a grandmother of 12).

This.

While I do appreciate what she's doing to stimulate more consciousness about issues related to women in the workplace and loss (issues close to my heart), and I think she's fairly criticized for being tone-deaf about women who aren't like her, it's the way she presents herself - as if she, personally, has discovered something that no one else knows - that really rubs me the wrong way. It takes a special kind of bold to explain grief about spousal loss to the world merely two years on, especially when there are books like The Year of Magical Thinking out there.