Tell me about moving from DC to Baltimore with kids.

[Anonymous]

This is OP, could the PP who lives in Homeland tell me more about it.

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is OP, could the PP who lives in Homeland tell me more about it.

Thanks!

It's right across Charles St. from Roland Park, on the east side. Here's a neighborhood spotlight from the Sun:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baltimoresun.com/features/chesapeake-home/ph-mg-cl-homeland-20141021-story,amp.html

In the middle of the neighborhood is a small park with ponds (we call them lakes though ) on a street called Springlake that bisects the neighborhood. The side of the neighborhood west of Springlake is zoned for RPEM, same as Roland Park. The side of the neighborhood east of Springlake is zoned for Govans Elementary, which is not a school most parents feel comfortable with. We live on the Govans side, but already planned on private school when we bought our house.

We looked at houses in Roland Park and Homeland and would have probably been happy in either. I'm happy to answer any other specific questions you have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-report-2-abduction-robberies-in-roland-park/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-21/news/bs-md-roland-park-arrest-20130821_1_street-robberies-north-baltimore-second-suspect

You found two incidents, one from 2012 and one from 2013, that each took place when people were out walking or biking at 2:00 in the morning. From that, we are supposed to believe that RP is some crime-ridden hellhole?

Sounds like your reading comprehensions skills are the best. Each article talks about a string of crimes, most of which were against pedestrians and joggers. Only one of the shootings was late at night. Do you even live in Baltimore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-report-2-abduction-robberies-in-roland-park/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-21/news/bs-md-roland-park-arrest-20130821_1_street-robberies-north-baltimore-second-suspect

You found two incidents, one from 2012 and one from 2013, that each took place when people were out walking or biking at 2:00 in the morning. From that, we are supposed to believe that RP is some crime-ridden hellhole?

Sounds like your reading comprehensions skills are the best. Each article talks about a string of crimes, most of which were against pedestrians and joggers. Only one of the shootings was late at night. Do you even live in Baltimore?

Are not the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-report-2-abduction-robberies-in-roland-park/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-21/news/bs-md-roland-park-arrest-20130821_1_street-robberies-north-baltimore-second-suspect

You found two incidents, one from 2012 and one from 2013, that each took place when people were out walking or biking at 2:00 in the morning. From that, we are supposed to believe that RP is some crime-ridden hellhole?

Sounds like your reading comprehensions skills are the best. Each article talks about a string of crimes, most of which were against pedestrians and joggers. Only one of the shootings was late at night. Do you even live in Baltimore?

Yes, I live in Baltimore. I even lived here 5 years ago when those articles you cite were published. Have you ever lived anywhere OTHER than Baltimore? You sound like the 80 year olds on my neighborhood listserv who call the police when someone they don't know rings their doorbell because everything is so DANGEROUS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone really should sit down and do a crime stat comparison between Roland Park and Cleveland Park and Chestnut Hill and Brookline and Hancock Park.

I've spent enough time on internet forums to know that when it comes to crime stats and people start posting about anecdotal experience or instincts, it distorts the reality on the ground. Crime happens everywhere. All affluent areas suffer from petty theft and even periodic muggings. And the periodic murder, tragically, even if it is more of a once a generation thing. The truth is that at the end of the day, genuinely well-off people would not be paying high prices to live in a crime-ridden ghetto. Roland Park residents aren't going to be paying high prices and high taxes just to suffer from crime all the time.

If someone is genuinely concerned about crime in Roland Park, probably the best thing is to read the archives of the neighborhood's civil league meetings and see what's being reported and discussed. Like most educated, affluent neighborhoods, Roland Park residents are very proactive.

I know for a fact that not all crimes discussed at Roland Park civic meetings make it onto the materials placed on the web site. There seems to be a vested interest on some of these crimes not
being reported -- in one case, there were several burglaries on one street (all at night, with the families home). The following spring, four houses on that street were put up for sale. I have never seen this particular series of burglaries reported, but we were househunting at the time, and heard about from a friend who did attend a civic meeting.

You are insufferable. I love Roland Park. I live in DC. You must also believe that DC is crime ridden as well.[/quot

Nope, lived in D.C. with no issues. Are you not aware of the difference in crime rates between D.C. and Baltimore?

But I actually live in Baltimore and you don't.

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I'm actually from Baltimore. I practiced big law in Baltimore. We decided to settle in DC b/c the job market is better here. Would move back in a heartbeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-report-2-abduction-robberies-in-roland-park/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-21/news/bs-md-roland-park-arrest-20130821_1_street-robberies-north-baltimore-second-suspect

You found two incidents, one from 2012 and one from 2013, that each took place when people were out walking or biking at 2:00 in the morning. From that, we are supposed to believe that RP is some crime-ridden hellhole?

Sounds like your reading comprehensions skills are the best. Each article talks about a string of crimes, most of which were against pedestrians and joggers. Only one of the shootings was late at night. Do you even live in Baltimore?

Yes, I live in Baltimore. I even lived here 5 years ago when those articles you cite were published. Have you ever lived anywhere OTHER than Baltimore? You sound like the 80 year olds on my neighborhood listserv who call the police when someone they don't know rings their doorbell because everything is so DANGEROUS.

Yup, I lived in philly, boston, low Angeles and dc.

I am also a prosecutor, so I think I have more access to info about crimes than many of you.

Anyone thinking of living in Roland Park should take a drive going west Cold Spring and evaluate what they think if that neighborhood.

And if you are thinking about Homeland/Guilford, drive down York and Greenmont, and then read on on the crime statistics for mid Govans/Waverly.

We don't live in a bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-report-2-abduction-robberies-in-roland-park/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-21/news/bs-md-roland-park-arrest-20130821_1_street-robberies-north-baltimore-second-suspect

You found two incidents, one from 2012 and one from 2013, that each took place when people were out walking or biking at 2:00 in the morning. From that, we are supposed to believe that RP is some crime-ridden hellhole?

Sounds like your reading comprehensions skills are the best. Each article talks about a string of crimes, most of which were against pedestrians and joggers. Only one of the shootings was late at night. Do you even live in Baltimore?

Yes, I live in Baltimore. I even lived here 5 years ago when those articles you cite were published. Have you ever lived anywhere OTHER than Baltimore? You sound like the 80 year olds on my neighborhood listserv who call the police when someone they don't know rings their doorbell because everything is so DANGEROUS.

Yup, I lived in philly, boston, low Angeles and dc.

I am also a prosecutor, so I think I have more access to info about crimes than many of you.

Anyone thinking of living in Roland Park should take a drive going west Cold Spring and evaluate what they think if that neighborhood.

And if you are thinking about Homeland/Guilford, drive down York and Greenmont, and then read on on the crime statistics for mid Govans/Waverly.

We don't live in a bubble.

You are ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

There's a big, huge valley that separates Roland Park from West Cold Spring, if you're referring to the side across the Jones Falls. The expressway, a large high school complex, Medfield/Hampden, Cold Spring New Town all separate Roland Park from the ghettos further west towards West Baltimore.

Cold Spring isn't a pretty road but the stretch that runs along Roland Park is....what? Just a narrow and busy thoroughfare. Has some nice cafes/restaurants before you get to Loyola. Lots of Loyola kids walk up and down the few blocks of Cold Spring all the time. And RP families go to those restaurants all the time. Miss Shirley's popular. As is the bagel shop.

Cold Spring does get a bit nasty when you get close to Greenmount/York on the Guilford Side (it's "East" Cold Spring over there, FYI.)

Roland Park people never go that far east or that far west. There are certainly problematic areas in Baltimore. No one has pretended otherwise. But it's not like Roland Park is smack flush against a deprived area, unless you consider Hampden deprived. Guilford comes close with the York Road/Greenmount corridor and a tiny bit of Homeland does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a big, huge valley that separates Roland Park from West Cold Spring, if you're referring to the side across the Jones Falls. The expressway, a large high school complex, Medfield/Hampden, Cold Spring New Town all separate Roland Park from the ghettos further west towards West Baltimore.

Cold Spring isn't a pretty road but the stretch that runs along Roland Park is....what? Just a narrow and busy thoroughfare. Has some nice cafes/restaurants before you get to Loyola. Lots of Loyola kids walk up and down the few blocks of Cold Spring all the time. And RP families go to those restaurants all the time. Miss Shirley's popular. As is the bagel shop.

Cold Spring does get a bit nasty when you get close to Greenmount/York on the Guilford Side (it's "East" Cold Spring over there, FYI.)

Roland Park people never go that far east or that far west. There are certainly problematic areas in Baltimore. No one has pretended otherwise. But it's not like Roland Park is smack flush against a deprived area, unless you consider Hampden deprived. Guilford comes close with the York Road/Greenmount corridor and a tiny bit of Homeland does.

Sweetie, it is less than a mile away and it is one of the biggest drug markets in the city with all the accompanying mayhem. Those folks know how to drive -- there are not invisible fences around any of these neighborhoods. Gosh, some of you really do live in lala land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-report-2-abduction-robberies-in-roland-park/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-21/news/bs-md-roland-park-arrest-20130821_1_street-robberies-north-baltimore-second-suspect

You found two incidents, one from 2012 and one from 2013, that each took place when people were out walking or biking at 2:00 in the morning. From that, we are supposed to believe that RP is some crime-ridden hellhole?

Sounds like your reading comprehensions skills are the best. Each article talks about a string of crimes, most of which were against pedestrians and joggers. Only one of the shootings was late at night. Do you even live in Baltimore?

Yes, I live in Baltimore. I even lived here 5 years ago when those articles you cite were published. Have you ever lived anywhere OTHER than Baltimore? You sound like the 80 year olds on my neighborhood listserv who call the police when someone they don't know rings their doorbell because everything is so DANGEROUS.

Yup, I lived in philly, boston, low Angeles and dc.

I am also a prosecutor, so I think I have more access to info about crimes than many of you.

Anyone thinking of living in Roland Park should take a drive going west Cold Spring and evaluate what they think if that neighborhood.

And if you are thinking about Homeland/Guilford, drive down York and Greenmont, and then read on on the crime statistics for mid Govans/Waverly.

We don't live in a bubble.

You are ridiculous.

You are in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gritty wasn't meant as a physical description.

It means that you can't leave a door unlocked or a car window down, a bike out in the front yard, go safely to the atm at night, and are often subjected to police helicopters overhead due to proximity of "bad" neighborhoods.

There are recent incidents of old ladies being mugged at gunpoint outside petit Louis restaurant, and a year or two ago, multiple muggings of joggers mugged, also at gunpoint


Aesthetically. Not gritty but that wasn't what I meant.

Ugh. No way I would live there with my children!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/police-report-2-abduction-robberies-in-roland-park/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-08-21/news/bs-md-roland-park-arrest-20130821_1_street-robberies-north-baltimore-second-suspect

You found two incidents, one from 2012 and one from 2013, that each took place when people were out walking or biking at 2:00 in the morning. From that, we are supposed to believe that RP is some crime-ridden hellhole?

Sounds like your reading comprehensions skills are the best. Each article talks about a string of crimes, most of which were against pedestrians and joggers. Only one of the shootings was late at night. Do you even live in Baltimore?

Yes, I live in Baltimore. I even lived here 5 years ago when those articles you cite were published. Have you ever lived anywhere OTHER than Baltimore? You sound like the 80 year olds on my neighborhood listserv who call the police when someone they don't know rings their doorbell because everything is so DANGEROUS.

Yup, I lived in philly, boston, low Angeles and dc.

I am also a prosecutor, so I think I have more access to info about crimes than many of you.

Anyone thinking of living in Roland Park should take a drive going west Cold Spring and evaluate what they think if that neighborhood.

And if you are thinking about Homeland/Guilford, drive down York and Greenmont, and then read on on the crime statistics for mid Govans/Waverly.

We don't live in a bubble.

I used to live in a 'safe neighborhood' in Baltimore and this is great advice. In Baltimore the nice and bad parts of the city are just a few blocks apart. This is unlike the other cities that I've lived in (NYC, Boston and D.C.).

[Anonymous]

Move to downtown Frederick. Tons of young families moving in from big cities because it's safe, affordable, good schools and parks, and pretty walkable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it could be very hard to move here as a young person with no kids.

Way back in the 1980s I moved to Baltimore as a young single. I lived in a downtown neighborhood, joined a downtown congregation, and made a bunch of friends of different ages, some from Baltimore, many not. I wouldn't have moved to RP as a single person of course.