The latest ranking of top countries in math, reading, and science (PISA 2016)

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe in science it all comes down to race and IQ. The US system is based on science denial, thus the endless complex illogical verbose houses of cards constructed by the science deniers.

Yup. It's interesting that the patterns of scores we see among racial groups in the US are mirrored by the patterns of scores of their countries of origin. Can't notice that though.

The parallels you are drawing between countries of origin and outcome might also be explained by economics.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe in science it all comes down to race and IQ. The US system is based on science denial, thus the endless complex illogical verbose houses of cards constructed by the science deniers.

Yup. It's interesting that the patterns of scores we see among racial groups in the US are mirrored by the patterns of scores of their countries of origin. Can't notice that though.

The parallels you are drawing between countries of origin and outcome might also be explained by economics.

Of course it is economics which in turn could affect health. There are plenty of people of different races scoring highly. They are just better off and healthier because of it.

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Ugh

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Anonymous wrote:"The US saw an 11-point drop in average score for math, while remaining relatively flat in reading and science.

The results again raise questions about the global competitiveness of the US educational system.

On a press call on Tuesday, Jon Schnur, executive chairman of America Achieves, said we need to make dramatic progress in showing educational improvement for students."


http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12

Can't trust this. They list "Buenos Aires" as a country!

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Anonymous wrote:"The US saw an 11-point drop in average score for math, while remaining relatively flat in reading and science.

The results again raise questions about the global competitiveness of the US educational system.

On a press call on Tuesday, Jon Schnur, executive chairman of America Achieves, said we need to make dramatic progress in showing educational improvement for students."


http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12

This is a direct result of academic tracking (AAP, TAG, etc). The best teachers and resources go to kids who excel anyway. The rest are warehoused after third grade. It's dragging the whole country down.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The US saw an 11-point drop in average score for math, while remaining relatively flat in reading and science.

The results again raise questions about the global competitiveness of the US educational system.

On a press call on Tuesday, Jon Schnur, executive chairman of America Achieves, said we need to make dramatic progress in showing educational improvement for students."


http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12

This is a direct result of academic tracking (AAP, TAG, etc). The best teachers and resources go to kids who excel anyway. The rest are warehoused after third grade. It's dragging the whole country down.

That is incorrect.

Your conclusion is illogical.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I guess we are not off the hook. What do you all make about the relative weakness of the US on math reasoning? I'm curious what the curriculum implications might be. Common Core standards emphasize reasoning. Singapore Math has tried to bring one of the curriculum that works elsewhere over. One would expect to see a bit of improvement rather than a slide.

Current 15 year olds were not brought up on common core. The current 4th grade class (9-10 year olds) is the first class to have common core from the start. Most 12-15 year olds are in the grades that have most suffered from inconsistent and and frequently changing standards and curricula.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I guess we are not off the hook. What do you all make about the relative weakness of the US on math reasoning? I'm curious what the curriculum implications might be. Common Core standards emphasize reasoning. Singapore Math has tried to bring one of the curriculum that works elsewhere over. One would expect to see a bit of improvement rather than a slide.

Too early to tell? I don't know. Not all states have implemented CC standards, and some only in the last two years, so maybe it's too early for it to really reflect in the math scores?

I'd like to see the results by state and whether that state uses CC standards, and for how long. I know MA was one of the early adopters (and I believe some if not a lot of the standards came from the MA standards) and they typically do well on the PISA test. I know, there are other factors at play here for MA .

Yes, too early. They are testing 15 year olds, right? None of them had any common core in the early years where math reasoning is established. In this area, the current 4th grade is first class of kids to have CC standards and an emphasis on reasoning all the way through (and at least in our school that class is testing off the charts).

Agreed it is probably too early to tell, plus how many states have fought common core or implement it so poorly that it means nothing anymore? The only thing I can say good about our to be head of Dept. of Ed. is that she supports guidelines for teaching. And even that she waffles on between her support for homeschool, private, and parochial schools.

Despite states fighting Common Core, schools across the country all purchase textbooks from the same small number of publishers. They have all morphed to "Common Core compliant." Everyone is also stuck with this because the New SAT is based on CC.