Rape and Abortion

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be able to make those decisions for herself. But if you're pro-life and believe abortion is murder, there's no principled way to excuse rape victims. We wouldn't legally condone a rape victim hunting down and killing her rapist, so we certainly can't condone her murdering the baby who committed no crime against her at all.

Yes, there is. Usually making absolutes about other people's ideas is a bad idea.

Then please explain what makes murder of an innocent person acceptable.

The supreme court has already decided that a fetus is not a person under the US constitution.

Call 'it' what you want. Killing 'it' in utero is a horrifically violent act of sheer evilness.

That is what you think, and that is fine. I assume in the same circumstances you would not abort. Others do not agree, so it would be ideal to give them the same respect afforded to you.

How about some respect for the little life?
It wouldn't kill you. No, it would not kill you.

I respect all life. I am anti-abortion myself but believe strongly in the choice of a woman on what occurs in her body. It should never be a state sanctioned decision. Also, even if abortions were illegal, they still occur and would be VERY dangerous for the woman. So two deaths instead of one.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be able to make those decisions for herself. But if you're pro-life and believe abortion is murder, there's no principled way to excuse rape victims. We wouldn't legally condone a rape victim hunting down and killing her rapist, so we certainly can't condone her murdering the baby who committed no crime against her at all.

Yes, there is. Usually making absolutes about other people's ideas is a bad idea.

Then please explain what makes murder of an innocent person acceptable.

When the law doesn't consider it a "person?"

So if conceived during consensual sex, it's a person and aborting it would be murder, but if conceived due to rape, it's not a person? How does that work? Your personhood is based on how you were conceived?

I thought only Catholics believe life begins at conception?

The points is to avoid legislating the uterus' of women. They are big enough to made decisions on their own bodies without state involvement. I'd check the laws, but I believe legally life begins at birth.

I woman should never be forced to carry the fetus of a man that raped her -ever- as that is further violating her.

while I obey the laws, I would never ever use them to define my morality.

The exercise your CHOICE and not get an abortion. Your morality should not dictate the discisions of another women. The law protects this.

Different poster, but this is stupid. If you genuinely believe that innocent people are being unjustly killed, how could you ever remain silent about it? "I know you think this is murder, but respect my right to murder someone!"

Because an embryo or fetus, especially up till 20+ weeks is not a person. It just isn't. Equating an abortion - and something like 90+% take place in the first 14 weeks - with picking off a living, breathing human is just stupid.

[Anonymous]

It looks like this conversation is going nowhere. Yes, people believe in abortion and others do not. What are we trying to prove here?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be able to make those decisions for herself. But if you're pro-life and believe abortion is murder, there's no principled way to excuse rape victims. We wouldn't legally condone a rape victim hunting down and killing her rapist, so we certainly can't condone her murdering the baby who committed no crime against her at all.

Yes, there is. Usually making absolutes about other people's ideas is a bad idea.

Then please explain what makes murder of an innocent person acceptable.

When the law doesn't consider it a "person?"

So if conceived during consensual sex, it's a person and aborting it would be murder, but if conceived due to rape, it's not a person? How does that work? Your personhood is based on how you were conceived?

I thought only Catholics believe life begins at conception?

The points is to avoid legislating the uterus' of women. They are big enough to made decisions on their own bodies without state involvement. I'd check the laws, but I believe legally life begins at birth.

I woman should never be forced to carry the fetus of a man that raped her -ever- as that is further violating her.

while I obey the laws, I would never ever use them to define my morality.

The exercise your CHOICE and not get an abortion. Your morality should not dictate the discisions of another women. The law protects this.

Different poster, but this is stupid. If you genuinely believe that innocent people are being unjustly killed, how could you ever remain silent about it? "I know you think this is murder, but respect my right to murder someone!"

Because an embryo or fetus, especially up till 20+ weeks is not a person. It just isn't. Equating an abortion - and something like 90+% take place in the first 14 weeks - with picking off a living, breathing human is just stupid.

No it's not stupid. A lot of people have reasonable definitions of when life commences and there is no objectively correct answer. We can and do disagree about when life commences. But once we recognize this important distinction, it is stupid to suggest that somebody who starts from a different value judgment should respect the consequences of a differing value judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be able to make those decisions for herself. But if you're pro-life and believe abortion is murder, there's no principled way to excuse rape victims. We wouldn't legally condone a rape victim hunting down and killing her rapist, so we certainly can't condone her murdering the baby who committed no crime against her at all.

Yes, there is. Usually making absolutes about other people's ideas is a bad idea.

Then please explain what makes murder of an innocent person acceptable.

When the law doesn't consider it a "person?"

So if conceived during consensual sex, it's a person and aborting it would be murder, but if conceived due to rape, it's not a person? How does that work? Your personhood is based on how you were conceived?

I thought only Catholics believe life begins at conception?

The points is to avoid legislating the uterus' of women. They are big enough to made decisions on their own bodies without state involvement. I'd check the laws, but I believe legally life begins at birth.

I woman should never be forced to carry the fetus of a man that raped her -ever- as that is further violating her.

while I obey the laws, I would never ever use them to define my morality.

The exercise your CHOICE and not get an abortion. Your morality should not dictate the discisions of another women. The law protects this.

Different poster, but this is stupid. If you genuinely believe that innocent people are being unjustly killed, how could you ever remain silent about it? "I know you think this is murder, but respect my right to murder someone!"

Well, you have no right to decide what a person does or does not do with their own body. You can voice your disagreements, but that's about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be able to make those decisions for herself. But if you're pro-life and believe abortion is murder, there's no principled way to excuse rape victims. We wouldn't legally condone a rape victim hunting down and killing her rapist, so we certainly can't condone her murdering the baby who committed no crime against her at all.

Yes, there is. Usually making absolutes about other people's ideas is a bad idea.

Then please explain what makes murder of an innocent person acceptable.

When the law doesn't consider it a "person?"

So if conceived during consensual sex, it's a person and aborting it would be murder, but if conceived due to rape, it's not a person? How does that work? Your personhood is based on how you were conceived?

I thought only Catholics believe life begins at conception?

The points is to avoid legislating the uterus' of women. They are big enough to made decisions on their own bodies without state involvement. I'd check the laws, but I believe legally life begins at birth.

I woman should never be forced to carry the fetus of a man that raped her -ever- as that is further violating her.

while I obey the laws, I would never ever use them to define my morality.

The exercise your CHOICE and not get an abortion. Your morality should not dictate the discisions of another women. The law protects this.

Different poster, but this is stupid. If you genuinely believe that innocent people are being unjustly killed, how could you ever remain silent about it? "I know you think this is murder, but respect my right to murder someone!"

Well, you have no right to decide what a person does or does not do with their own body. You can voice your disagreements, but that's about it.

We as a society decide that 16 year olds cannot drink alcohol or fight in wars. We make certain substances illegal for use without Doctor prescription. We out law certain types of medical practices....

Society has no problem telling other people what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

Try again....

[Anonymous]

TRY again... the medical definition of life. The supreme court decision.

Stay out of my uterus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TRY again... the medical definition of life. The supreme court decision.

Stay out of my uterus.

Why not stay out of killing innocent little lives?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be able to make those decisions for herself. But if you're pro-life and believe abortion is murder, there's no principled way to excuse rape victims. We wouldn't legally condone a rape victim hunting down and killing her rapist, so we certainly can't condone her murdering the baby who committed no crime against her at all.

Yes, there is. Usually making absolutes about other people's ideas is a bad idea.

Then please explain what makes murder of an innocent person acceptable.

The supreme court has already decided that a fetus is not a person under the US constitution.

Call 'it' what you want. Killing 'it' in utero is a horrifically violent act of sheer evilness.

That is what you think, and that is fine. I assume in the same circumstances you would not abort. Others do not agree, so it would be ideal to give them the same respect afforded to you.

How about some respect for the little life?

Exactly. When I'm not pregnant, I find myself just wishing for unprotected sex. Even when I'm not in the mood. Depressed, in mourning, what have you.

There are tiny little lives that aren't happening because men and women are selfishly having periods and jacking off and using protection. And it's disgusting.
It wouldn't kill you. No, it would not kill you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pro-choice because I believe women should be able to make those decisions for herself. But if you're pro-life and believe abortion is murder, there's no principled way to excuse rape victims. We wouldn't legally condone a rape victim hunting down and killing her rapist, so we certainly can't condone her murdering the baby who committed no crime against her at all.

Yes, there is. Usually making absolutes about other people's ideas is a bad idea.

Then please explain what makes murder of an innocent person acceptable.

The supreme court has already decided that a fetus is not a person under the US constitution.

Call 'it' what you want. Killing 'it' in utero is a horrifically violent act of sheer evilness.

That is what you think, and that is fine. I assume in the same circumstances you would not abort. Others do not agree, so it would be ideal to give them the same respect afforded to you.

How about some respect for the little life?

Exactly. When I'm not pregnant, I find myself just wishing for unprotected sex. Even when I'm not in the mood. Depressed, in mourning, what have you.

There are tiny little lives that aren't happening because men and women are selfishly having periods and jacking off and using protection. And it's disgusting.
It wouldn't kill you. No, it would not kill you.

You're confused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TRY again... the medical definition of life. The supreme court decision.

Stay out of my uterus.

Why not stay out of killing innocent little lives?

I do not kill them. Nor am I a huge fan. Choice over what occurs with your own body, rather than forced to carry a fetus you do not want. Your opinion on life differs than another womans and likely medicine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TRY again... the medical definition of life. The supreme court decision.

Stay out of my uterus.

Why not stay out of killing innocent little lives?

[Anonymous]

Let's call a spade a spade. The pro-life movement claims to be in favor of legalizing abortion in the case of rape because they believe it looks like they're willing to compromise, but in all actuality, they know there is no possible way for a woman to legally prove she got pregnant from a rape in the small window of time needed to abort the pregnancy. This is nothing more than a way to make all abortions illegal without looking like cruel, heartless jerks. The fact of the matter is, many pro-lifers care a lot more about a fetus than they do a woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's call a spade a spade. The pro-life movement claims to be in favor of legalizing abortion in the case of rape because they believe it looks like they're willing to compromise, but in all actuality, they know there is no possible way for a woman to legally prove she got pregnant from a rape in the small window of time needed to abort the pregnancy. This is nothing more than a way to make all abortions illegal without looking like cruel, heartless jerks. The fact of the matter is, many pro-lifers care a lot more about a fetus than they do a woman.

Consider the fact that we started out as that tiny life inside of our mothers.

And how many more of us there'd be, if so many of us weren't killed during the early stages of our human development.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's call a spade a spade. The pro-life movement claims to be in favor of legalizing abortion in the case of rape because they believe it looks like they're willing to compromise, but in all actuality, they know there is no possible way for a woman to legally prove she got pregnant from a rape in the small window of time needed to abort the pregnancy. This is nothing more than a way to make all abortions illegal without looking like cruel, heartless jerks. The fact of the matter is, many pro-lifers care a lot more about a fetus than they do a woman.

Consider the fact that we started out as that tiny life inside of our mothers.

And how many more of us there'd be, if so many of us weren't killed during the early stages of our human development.

Now what did Malcolm Gladwell say about the reduction of crime associated with the legalization of abortion?

I guess we will never know about all the missing fetus?

Are you also opposed to birth control, as that prevents conception?