For the first time in my life I hate summer.

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These things have to be decided well in advance - it's like registering for courses in middle and high school and charting a course to a good college (which I hope you're doing).

Before school ended, you should have discussed this as a family, and thrashed out a compromise: the part in the Venn diagram where their interests, your money and your logistics coincide.

They are not allowed to do nothing.
They have to do something constructive, either structured by others (camps and classes) or themselves (in that case they have to agree to being checked every now and then by you).
They also have to keep up their academic skills, so as to start the new school year without a hitch.



OP here. Thank you for the kind responses. How do you chart a good course to college? Are all of your summer activities college focused? Starting at what age? (DH and I went part time and finished, but not the conventional way.) I know this sounds basic to most of you, so I really appreciate the helpful responses. I don't know how to guide my children, frankly. DH's and my parents are deceased, so we have no guidance. (I know many people here have their parents pay for private school and activities, but that is not where I am going with this. I really just want to know about summer and how we can best help our children, since our house is chaos right now.)


PP you were responding to. What I mean is that most successful situations in life need extensive, long-term preparation, whether you are aware of preparing or not.
So if you are interested in very popular camps, these fill up quickly in January (the month most summer camps open up their spots). This means winter is the season when working parents try to nail down their children's summer schedule, which in turn means the children, if consulted as they should be, will need to think ahead and then agree to go through with whatever activity they had chosen back in Jan/Feb. If your children have never had that kind of discipline of making long-term plans and following through, then of course they're baulking now, which means you'll have to teach them this skill (better late than never).
Likewise, if you are interested in getting your child into a good college in these ultra-competitive times, you have to discuss careers, and their academic trajectories to get there, well before junior year when they apply for college. Why? Because they will need a strategy to get where they want to go: starting in middle school, the courses they choose build on each other. Ex: if one of your kids wants to be a physicist, she will need to take the most advanced math courses her high school can offer, which means she will need to start the fast track in middle school. If your other kid wants to be a fashion designer, he will need to take all the art electives and build a private portfolio and win some fashion design competitions on the side. This is what I mean by charting a course. High school summer activities prove to college selection committees what students really want to do in their spare time, which is why it's best to make it dovetail with the subjects they want to pursue in college. Elementary school is for fun and experimenting with all kinds of cool camps and outings. Middle school is the time to iron out any academic issues and to start thinking about the bigger picture, while still having fun. High school, there's pretty much no leeway - everything is college-focused.


NP. I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with this last bolded part. Many parents (and college admissions committees) feel it's not necessary to spend every waking hour of your high school summer building up the resume for college applications. I've had three kids graduate high school so far and each one is at a top ten university. They each spent summers life guarding, working retail, waiting tables, or simply volunteering - not trying to pad their resumes with activities that "dovetailed" with their future majors. Instead, they worked hard during the school year to make good grades, and used their leisure time during the summer months to make a little money and basically recharge for the coming school year - relaxing and doing things they enjoy, just for fun. While I realize some kids are very driven and feel they must cram every moment with "meaningful" activities, adcoms can see right through the carefully crafted schedules and activities. It's been our experience that they prefer to see kids who don't take themselves too seriously and who know how to balance their academic load during the school year with some time off and relaxation during the summers.


I actually think what they like to see are teens who are clearly making productive decisions for themselves. So many of these "college-bound" opportunities scream "parents planned all of this." A summer job, internship, camp, activity that is age-appropriate and shows some drive? That's a kid who will do well and won't have mommy or daddy on the phone every time they make a "B."
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Anonymous wrote:If your kids are pre-teen's I read that as 11-12 years old. They are certainly able to talk to their friends and see what classes they are interested in taking. At this point since we're into July you take what you can get. You can try calling the classes their friends are taking and see if anyone cancelled, a long shot but you never know.

Now if you SAH then don't send them anywhere. Yes, it may be a long summer for you but lessons learned all around!


Not sure what this statement is supposed to imply - that if OP is a SAHM she will have "learned her lesson" by having bored kids around all summer? As in, she should be WOH instead? Strange mentality. I'm a SAHM and my kids do a week or two of camp each summer, along with a week of family vacation. The rest of our time is spent reading, going to movies, the pool, day trips, and just hanging out. Even if we're a little bored at times, it beats being overscheduled any day. Works out great for all of us.
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Screen time is huge. As the adult, you control the screen time, no doubt about it. You can cut off wifi or take away items, and you should if you need to. Just about anything kids balk at can be made easier to swallow if screens aren't an alternative option.

- not able to fall asleep? Take away iPad, cell phone, laptop, etc. Many kids will have trouble not being bored to sleep without a screen.

- faking being sick to get out of school? No screen time until after school hours. (Obviously if it's a real illness, you make accommodations, but not the stomach ache that goes away after school starts.)

- not willing to go to camp/visit grandma/whatever? No screen time.

The magic words are "If you don't feel well enough to XYZ, then you are not well enough to be using electronics." Or "not organized enough" or whatever. The nice part about it is that often this is enough, and you don't have to have the argument about whether they are really sick, or can't manage to get everything together even if they try as hard as they can, or what have you. It's just not an option.

You'd be surprised at how much better they feel and can get themselves organized if there isn't a more fun option. Sometimes they can't, and that helps you as a parent understand that they really might be up against a true illness, or focus problem, or something. It's useful to know, and you don't have to shame or argue with them to find out.
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My son did nothing at all last summer at age 13. He felt too old for camp and wasn't ready for a job. It was a miserable summer.

I did institute a couple things to help the dynamic. I told him that if he ever said "I'm bored," I would give him chores to do. We did try to head out on a few day trips ourselves and that was okay.

This school year, I told him that he would not be permitted to stay at home doing nothing over the summer. He fought back and said that he wouldn't go to camp even if I tried to make him. I told him that I wasn't actually giving him a choice. Either he found a job OR he went to camp.

He got a job for six weeks of the summer working as a camp counselor. Actually, he is a counselor in training (CIT), so he doesn't get a paycheck, but he doesn't have to pay to attend the camp. If all goes well this summer, they will pay him as a real counselor next year.

Kids will beg and plead so that you won't force them to do anything they haven't chosen themselves. This is one of those cases where you have to be a parent (and not a friend to them).

This year, make them go to camp for everything you signed them up for. Don't let them sleep in and stay home.

In this instance, I have to say, "Grow a pair"!!
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**Oh, and as a last resort, learn how to change your WIFI password.

Change the password if the kids are following your screen time rules. Then make them complete chores or attend the whole week of camp before giving them the new password.

Change it as often as needed. The screens aren't much fun without an online connection.

I don't use this method very often, but it truly is my ace in the hole when my kid does not listen to me. I'm a single mom, my son is 8 inches taller than me, so I need to retain power in some way...
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Anonymous wrote:Do you need your husband's permission to pee? sign the kids up for something. Drop them off. Pretty simple.


What? No. DC need convincing. I am asking for advice from parents with difficult children.


Convincing to do what? You don't have to convince them to to go school. They just have to go. Same thing in summer. They have to go do whatever you decide they have to go do.


Please don't send kids to a camp that they don't want to go to. If they don't want to go to camp, have them stay home and clean the house. DS is a camp counselor and really struggles with kids who don't want to be there.
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We view camp as a privilege. They each can pick 2 weeks. Plus the oldest gets 1 week of sleep away camp . They appreciate the camps and look forward to them all summer.
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Why can't they just go off and play? I do not understand this. We have kids at the pool, playground, biking, playing in cup-de-sacs and just wandering. Only the parents that work or don't want their kids bothering them, ship them off to scheduled daycare (aka camp)

Having downtime to find your passions, socially work with kids without structure, use your imagination, etc... is a good thing.
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't they just go off and play? I do not understand this. We have kids at the pool, playground, biking, playing in cup-de-sacs and just wandering. Only the parents that work or don't want their kids bothering them, ship them off to scheduled daycare (aka camp)

Having downtime to find your passions, socially work with kids without structure, use your imagination, etc... is a good thing.


Where is this magical place you speak of? My neighborhood has lots of school aged kids, but it's a ghost town in the summer. Everyone is either at camp or traveling somewhere.
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there have been lots of articles lately about boredom being good for kids
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't they just go off and play? I do not understand this. We have kids at the pool, playground, biking, playing in cup-de-sacs and just wandering. Only the parents that work or don't want their kids bothering them, ship them off to scheduled daycare (aka camp)

Having downtime to find your passions, socially work with kids without structure, use your imagination, etc... is a good thing.


Where is this magical place you speak of? My neighborhood has lots of school aged kids, but it's a ghost town in the summer. Everyone is either at camp or traveling somewhere.


Not the PP but we used to live in one of those neighborhoods. We moved. Find an area where people mow their own lawn and has their own pool/school that is walkable. A realtor once told me that when I asked for an actual neighborhood with a community feel. Families that mow their own lawn and take care of their own homes are more likely to live a normal middle class life. Their kids are not usually entitled to around the clock entertainment, sports, and camps.
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Anonymous wrote:there have been lots of articles lately about boredom being good for kids


Yes but tigers schedule every minute of their day.
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Anonymous wrote:**Oh, and as a last resort, learn how to change your WIFI password.

Change the password if the kids are following your screen time rules. Then make them complete chores or attend the whole week of camp before giving them the new password.

Change it as often as needed. The screens aren't much fun without an online connection.

I don't use this method very often, but it truly is my ace in the hole when my kid does not listen to me. I'm a single mom, my son is 8 inches taller than me, so I need to retain power in some way...


I like you!!! Mom of three. One bordering "screen addict", one who is indifferent, one who hates electronics (avid gymnast).

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Anonymous wrote:there have been lots of articles lately about boredom being good for kids


Yes but tigers schedule every minute of their day.


Parent of kid with poor social skills and anxiety. Be careful of broad sweeping terms and harsh judgement. With too much unstructured time my kid sinks into depression. Not all people are self starters.
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OP,

No need to freak out. We have had summers that I have signed up my kids for back to back summer camps, and then we had some when we travelled a lot.

This year my son is just doing a few camps (total of 10 days). The rest of the time he is allowed to sleep late and veg out in front of the TV. At home, he is also reading some books, doing multiple math packets, keeping up with his instrumental music and language classes and doing chores around the house.


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