Stats about white students in DCPS being in top nationwide?

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Anonymous wrote:Resourced kids from wealthier, educated families are generally going to perform well. In DCPS, these kids are mostly white. This is true of any school system. DC is a bit unique in that a high # of its wealthy families are very educated; in wealthy pockets of Houston, or LA, or Miami, education probably isn't tied to wealth as closely. So DCPS' rich white students are the tops, academically.

WHO CARES.

I think the point is many MoCo and nova parents will look down their noses at people buying in DC as if DC schools will actually do damage on rich white kids. The validation is this is not true. You can really have it all.

+1. We are high SES and live on the Hill and hear constantly that we will need to move to the suburbs when we have kids because DCPS is such garbage. This shows that, according to the test scores, the high SES kids in DCPS probably aren't falling behind compared to the high SES kids in the burbs. The burbs just have more of them.

I know test scores aren't everything, but they're not nothing, either.

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I already answered this question upthread: the white highly educated successful parent who has to make a decision about where to buy a home for $1.25M
And who plan to use public school.

You posters not in this demographic can sneer, but there are a lot of us.

Bump. Metro-colypse has made me even more glad we chose something slightly closer-in. I'd love to do what I can to help close the gap so all of my kids' classmates are performing to the highest of their abilities, not just the ones who are white, like we are. I find it enormously valuable however, that my kids play with and respect friends who look different than they do, and have a family lives and cultures quite different from their own. And that experience would likely not be as rich with differences in the suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. So why are people always claiming that MoCo and N. Arlington are so much better? Though true those are statewide scores...can we see a county breakdown

White kids in DC are overwhelmingly from wealthy educated families. They will do well anywhere. It's teaching the rest of the kids that shows how strong a school system is. Also standardized tests aren't everything. Those white kids in DC may be passing at a higher rate than their counterparts (in everywhere else in the US where there are middle class and poor white kids) but that doesn't mean they are better off in dcps.

And black kids whose families move to Fairfax, MoCo and Arlington are from richer families than the ones staying put in DC. So teaching the black kids whose families have chosen to move out of DC is much easier than the black kids who stayed in DC in overwhelmingly black schools.
Me no speaky English, so please somebody, help me out here with what I'm trying to say. So we are choosing to see how the white kids do well-high SES and all grouped together(and together they are in WOTP mostly), but we don't see how black kids from low SES and all grouped together don't do well. Low SES black kids(or white) all together in FCPS wouldn't do well either. Does FCPS even have a school where most kids are FARM and of same ethnicity/race. There are so many things that play into why the whites in DC do well and why the blacks don't.
It's not only SES, it's also being grouped together with their peers.
We are super poor white living in DC and our kid is doing extremely well in DCPS. Mostly thanks to his peers, not to his parents. I'm sure you agree because I can't even write coherently.
My friend used to say that the best DCPS is worse than the worst FCPS (when it comes to kids test scores I guess). Why would anybody say such a thing?
So DCPS are notoriously bad, yet so many highly educated high SES families choose to stay here. No wonder there's a thread after thread a la why do you stay in DC if DCPS are the worst in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:I found this NYT article interesting. It breaks things down by school district:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/29/upshot/money-race-and-success-how-your-school-district-compares.html?_r=0

Am I reading this correctly? Does this mean for DCPS students in the same grade that the average White child is almost 5 grades ahead of the average Black child?

Again, thank God there are white students in DCPS.

Otherwise we'd be Detroit.

PLEASE GO AWAY!!

You want to become Detroit?

Why don't YOU move?

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Is there a recruitment for the white students, since they are smarter and wealthier? When will Trump PCS open up their campus on Pennsylvania Avenue?

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This is why DC can't have test in gifted programs especially in the early grades. They would skew white. I know my DD will be ok anywhere but at some point we will leave our mediocre IB to get away from the behavioral problems associated with the low income, under achieving kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a recruitment for the white students, since they are smarter and wealthier? When will Trump PCS open up their campus on Pennsylvania Avenue?

Gentrification. Charter schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why DC can't have test in gifted programs especially in the early grades. They would skew white. I know my DD will be ok anywhere but at some point we will leave our mediocre IB to get away from the behavioral problems associated with the low income, under achieving kids.

Which mediocre IB?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why DC can't have test in gifted programs especially in the early grades. They would skew white. I know my DD will be ok anywhere but at some point we will leave our mediocre IB to get away from the behavioral problems associated with the low income, under achieving kids.

It's assumptions like these that drive me crazy. Let's look at data and assume that all DC black kids are in that data. There are many AA kids that are bright and go private for school that would easily test into a gifted program. Crestwood, Colonial Village, Shepherd Park, and Hillcrest is filled with them. I have AA friends that have moved to Rockville and Bethesda (easily scoring 5s on PARCC which many JKLM students don't even do) for school that still own property in DC and would move back very quickly if there were a quality gifted program in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why DC can't have test in gifted programs especially in the early grades. They would skew white. I know my DD will be ok anywhere but at some point we will leave our mediocre IB to get away from the behavioral problems associated with the low income, under achieving kids.

It's assumptions like these that drive me crazy. Let's look at data and assume that all DC black kids are in that data. There are many AA kids that are bright and go private for school that would easily test into a gifted program. Crestwood, Colonial Village, Shepherd Park, and Hillcrest is filled with them. I have AA friends that have moved to Rockville and Bethesda (easily scoring 5s on PARCC which many JKLM students don't even do) for school that still own property in DC and would move back very quickly if there were a quality gifted program in DC.

+1. There are also increasingly AA kids from well-educated families (who would likely do well on PARCC etc., but not yet in testing grades) in HRCS--I know a handful at CMI, ITS, and LAMB.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. So why are people always claiming that MoCo and N. Arlington are so much better? Though true those are statewide scores...can we see a county breakdown

White kids in DC are overwhelmingly from wealthy educated families. They will do well anywhere. It's teaching the rest of the kids that shows how strong a school system is. Also standardized tests aren't everything. Those white kids in DC may be passing at a higher rate than their counterparts (in everywhere else in the US where there are middle class and poor white kids) but that doesn't mean they are better off in dcps.

blah blah blah blah.

These are important data to refute the very specific group of law firm-type parents who insist that their progeny need to be educated in Bannockburn, Bradley Hills, Somerset, Pyle, Key Science Focus, Williamsburg MS, etc. This data shows that those children do not, in fact, need to flee the District with their white, highly educated parents because, schools.

(this is a different analysis than, say, "name the middle school in the entire region with the best math department.")

I guess if all you care about is whether your kid can do well on a standardized test then you're correct. And I'm sure there are some schools in DC that hold up well to schools in the burbs. But if you really think that your kid is going to get the same level of education at, for example, Brent as your kid would get in Somerset or Falls Church City, you're crazy. Teachers can do so much more with a class made up entirely of wealthy suburban kids than they can with a class made up of some wealthy kids and some really poor kids.

That may be so but the kid who goes to Brent learns how not to be afraid of people who are different from him/her racially and in class background. That is the gift I gave my kid by sending her to DCPS as opposed to raising her in a white wealthy enclave like the one I grew up in.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why DC can't have test in gifted programs especially in the early grades. They would skew white. I know my DD will be ok anywhere but at some point we will leave our mediocre IB to get away from the behavioral problems associated with the low income, under achieving kids.

It's assumptions like these that drive me crazy. Let's look at data and assume that all DC black kids are in that data. There are many AA kids that are bright and go private for school that would easily test into a gifted program. Crestwood, Colonial Village, Shepherd Park, and Hillcrest is filled with them. I have AA friends that have moved to Rockville and Bethesda (easily scoring 5s on PARCC which many JKLM students don't even do) for school that still own property in DC and would move back very quickly if there were a quality gifted program in DC.

Drives me crazy too. It wasn't the low income kids who were torturing my child at one of the aforementioned neighborhood schools. Bullies can be rich too--it is just when they are, they get a pass. Now that my child is the only high ses in their class, we have no problems. Poor children are not the problem. You don't need to be frightened of them.

Nor do you need to be frightened of rich bullies. Nor are all rich children particularly smart.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. So why are people always claiming that MoCo and N. Arlington are so much better? Though true those are statewide scores...can we see a county breakdown

White kids in DC are overwhelmingly from wealthy educated families. They will do well anywhere. It's teaching the rest of the kids that shows how strong a school system is. Also standardized tests aren't everything. Those white kids in DC may be passing at a higher rate than their counterparts (in everywhere else in the US where there are middle class and poor white kids) but that doesn't mean they are better off in dcps.

blah blah blah blah.

These are important data to refute the very specific group of law firm-type parents who insist that their progeny need to be educated in Bannockburn, Bradley Hills, Somerset, Pyle, Key Science Focus, Williamsburg MS, etc. This data shows that those children do not, in fact, need to flee the District with their white, highly educated parents because, schools.

(this is a different analysis than, say, "name the middle school in the entire region with the best math department.")

I guess if all you care about is whether your kid can do well on a standardized test then you're correct. And I'm sure there are some schools in DC that hold up well to schools in the burbs. But if you really think that your kid is going to get the same level of education at, for example, Brent as your kid would get in Somerset or Falls Church City, you're crazy. Teachers can do so much more with a class made up entirely of wealthy suburban kids than they can with a class made up of some wealthy kids and some really poor kids.

That may be so but the kid who goes to Brent learns how not to be afraid of people who are different from him/her racially and in class background. That is the gift I gave my kid by sending her to DCPS as opposed to raising her in a white wealthy enclave like the one I grew up in.

Hear hear. Also, specifically. I would like to know. What would my child be learning in falls Church that is so special? Please be specific. We get this myth of the amazing burb school fed to us over and over again, and I'm not really sure what it means. So please. Enlighten me. Does their orchestra win awards? Do they have a photography program? Is there daily mandarin? College-level seminar classes in critical theory? What?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. So why are people always claiming that MoCo and N. Arlington are so much better? Though true those are statewide scores...can we see a county breakdown

White kids in DC are overwhelmingly from wealthy educated families. They will do well anywhere. It's teaching the rest of the kids that shows how strong a school system is. Also standardized tests aren't everything. Those white kids in DC may be passing at a higher rate than their counterparts (in everywhere else in the US where there are middle class and poor white kids) but that doesn't mean they are better off in dcps.

blah blah blah blah.

These are important data to refute the very specific group of law firm-type parents who insist that their progeny need to be educated in Bannockburn, Bradley Hills, Somerset, Pyle, Key Science Focus, Williamsburg MS, etc. This data shows that those children do not, in fact, need to flee the District with their white, highly educated parents because, schools.

(this is a different analysis than, say, "name the middle school in the entire region with the best math department.")

I guess if all you care about is whether your kid can do well on a standardized test then you're correct. And I'm sure there are some schools in DC that hold up well to schools in the burbs. But if you really think that your kid is going to get the same level of education at, for example, Brent as your kid would get in Somerset or Falls Church City, you're crazy. Teachers can do so much more with a class made up entirely of wealthy suburban kids than they can with a class made up of some wealthy kids and some really poor kids.

That may be so but the kid who goes to Brent learns how not to be afraid of people who are different from him/her racially and in class background. That is the gift I gave my kid by sending her to DCPS as opposed to raising her in a white wealthy enclave like the one I grew up in.

Hear hear. Also, specifically. I would like to know. What would my child be learning in falls Church that is so special? Please be specific. We get this myth of the amazing burb school fed to us over and over again, and I'm not really sure what it means. So please. Enlighten me. Does their orchestra win awards? Do they have a photography program? Is there daily mandarin? College-level seminar classes in critical theory? What?

I have a relative who teaches in a AAP center in FCPS. The things his students are learning blows me away. I get it. I live on the Hill and desperately want to stay. I want to send my kid to DCPS and have it all be ok. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that my child is going to get the same level of education in DCPS as in a rich suburban school just because she happens to be white. And that's just in elementary school - not even addressing the cluster-f the middle and high school situation is east of the park.

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Yes, and the Blair science magnet program is far superior to any high school a white child could attend in the District. As is TJ. No one in any jurisdiction in the DMV should dispute that.

But that's not actually the topic of this thread.