Wish you didn't redshirt?

[Anonymous]

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Which is why most people don't do it. Its only privates around here and some higher SES publics.

And I always wonder about redshirting complaints from people who send their children to a private school. This is a school that you choose to pay a lot of money to, so that your child can go there! If you're so upset about its redshirting policies, why are you doing that?

I think parents who are new to the environment don't realize it's the trend.

Additionally, for me a lot of my frustration is based on Kindergarten now being inappropriate for the age of children who are meant to attend. We're not graduating high school seniors who are more educated. In fact, our colleges are saying they are having to provide more and more remedial classes. So what's the point of making the early grades age inappropriate if there is no long term benefit? If HS had become the new BA/BS, then I could perhaps understand. But it hasn't. It's gone the other direction.

There are more remedial classes because more people are attending college. Those people probably wouldn't have gone to college in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you going to skew things to your kid's advantage?

- that is what redshirting is about


(... as always, SN community, it doesn't apply to you)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a November birthday and was always the youngest. It was never a hindrance academically or socially. My children are September birthdays and started on time. Both of them would be bored to death if they were a class behind. Redshirting is out of control and for most people totally unnecessary.

It's okay to be the youngest. Someone has to be.

I was the youngest and I hated it.

And I was the youngest and I loved it!

[Anonymous]

I was the youngest and I didn't care either way. It was nice to be the last to turn 40, though. :p

[Anonymous]

Sent my late summer kids on time. Both are in HS. No regrets. Son hit puberty early. He would have been totally out of place the year behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was the youngest and I didn't care either way. It was nice to be the last to turn 40, though. :p

Same here! Youngest because I skipped a grade. I didn't have any issues socially or academically, but I'm a woman and I know some think it's much less of an issue vs. being the youngest male.

[Anonymous]

I still haven't read about any parents who regretted redshirting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still haven't read about any parents who regretted redshirting.

Really? Did you read the first post after the OP?

Regretted it so my child skipped K. So far it has been the right choice for him. He's much happier. We got a lot of pressure to hold back. I did not think it was a good idea but the school pushed it. They were wrong about my kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still haven't read about any parents who regretted redshirting.

Really? Did you read the first post after the OP?

Regretted it so my child skipped K. So far it has been the right choice for him. He's much happier. We got a lot of pressure to hold back. I did not think it was a good idea but the school pushed it. They were wrong about my kid.

Missed that one I guess. It's a little hard to say you regretted redshirting at 1st grade though. I'm still looking to see if there are any parents of middle, high school, or college who regretted it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still haven't read about any parents who regretted redshirting.

I did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still haven't read about any parents who regretted redshirting.

Really? Did you read the first post after the OP?

Regretted it so my child skipped K. So far it has been the right choice for him. He's much happier. We got a lot of pressure to hold back. I did not think it was a good idea but the school pushed it. They were wrong about my kid.

Missed that one I guess. It's a little hard to say you regretted redshirting at 1st grade though. I'm still looking to see if there are any parents of middle, high school, or college who regretted it.

There's shifting the goal posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Which is why most people don't do it. Its only privates around here and some higher SES publics.

And I always wonder about redshirting complaints from people who send their children to a private school. This is a school that you choose to pay a lot of money to, so that your child can go there! If you're so upset about its redshirting policies, why are you doing that?

I think parents who are new to the environment don't realize it's the trend.

Additionally, for me a lot of my frustration is based on Kindergarten now being inappropriate for the age of children who are meant to attend. We're not graduating high school seniors who are more educated. In fact, our colleges are saying they are having to provide more and more remedial classes. So what's the point of making the early grades age inappropriate if there is no long term benefit? If HS had become the new BA/BS, then I could perhaps understand. But it hasn't. It's gone the other direction.

There are more remedial classes because more people are attending college. Those people probably wouldn't have gone to college in the past.

That's one reason, yes. Even with that, however, we're not getting colleges saying how wonderful their applicants are nowadays. How well the overly-academic focus of the early grades is paying off. Because it's not. We're forcing our youngest children to perform at levels that are inappropriate and spend their days in classroom environments that are inappropriate, and at the end of the day our HS graduates are no better off than they were when Kindergarten was about learning how to share with friends and tie your shoes.

We're ending up with environments where parents of perfectly average children feel a need to redshirt them if their birthday is within three months of the cut off date, simply so they won't be labeled a bad child or a stupid child when the child is simply a perfectly average child. Additionally it makes the environment that much more toxic for SN children who even if redshirted are still being held to higher standards than are appropriate for the stated age the environment is intended to be for. No one, except the children who are gifted academically and socially, is benefiting. And even those children are being failed later in their education when the high standards they were held to in early elementary fall away to easily attainable average standards in later grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Which is why most people don't do it. Its only privates around here and some higher SES publics.

And I always wonder about redshirting complaints from people who send their children to a private school. This is a school that you choose to pay a lot of money to, so that your child can go there! If you're so upset about its redshirting policies, why are you doing that?

I think parents who are new to the environment don't realize it's the trend.

Additionally, for me a lot of my frustration is based on Kindergarten now being inappropriate for the age of children who are meant to attend. We're not graduating high school seniors who are more educated. In fact, our colleges are saying they are having to provide more and more remedial classes. So what's the point of making the early grades age inappropriate if there is no long term benefit? If HS had become the new BA/BS, then I could perhaps understand. But it hasn't. It's gone the other direction.

There are more remedial classes because more people are attending college. Those people probably wouldn't have gone to college in the past.

That's one reason, yes. Even with that, however, we're not getting colleges saying how wonderful their applicants are nowadays. How well the overly-academic focus of the early grades is paying off. Because it's not. We're forcing our youngest children to perform at levels that are inappropriate and spend their days in classroom environments that are inappropriate, and at the end of the day our HS graduates are no better off than they were when Kindergarten was about learning how to share with friends and tie your shoes.

We're ending up with environments where parents of perfectly average children feel a need to redshirt them if their birthday is within three months of the cut off date, simply so they won't be labeled a bad child or a stupid child when the child is simply a perfectly average child. Additionally it makes the environment that much more toxic for SN children who even if redshirted are still being held to higher standards than are appropriate for the stated age the environment is intended to be for. No one, except the children who are gifted academically and socially, is benefiting. And even those children are being failed later in their education when the high standards they were held to in early elementary fall away to easily attainable average standards in later grades.

Agree on the kindergarten, but I think colleges are expecting more out of students than before too and employers expecting more of graduates. IT's a ripple effect. There are more graduate students these days as well and more jobs specifically for graduate students. I haven't found a lot of studies on whether or not college graduates are doing better than in the past. It's certainly harder to get into some of the highly selective colleges these days. This paper describes pretty well what trends people are seeing in the US population in terms of academics. http://www.livescience.com/37095-humans-smarter-or-dumber.html

[Anonymous]

Was in a K orientation yesterday with a giant almost 6 year old girl (turning 6 this summer) who looked totally out of place among the 4 and young 5 year olds. There will be talk about that choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was in a K orientation yesterday with a giant almost 6 year old girl (turning 6 this summer) who looked totally out of place among the 4 and young 5 year olds. There will be talk about that choice.

But not from you -- right? Because "there is a summer-birthday girl in my child's kindergarten class who will start kindergarten at 6 instead of 5, and she is tall" really isn't much to talk about.