United Technologies Moving U.S. Plant to Mexico

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Anonymous wrote:H1B visas- bring people in and we can see the children and grandchildren of prior H1B who are US citizens get snookered out of a job.

On another thread I commented that based on my experience if a person can work an iphone, laptop, etc they can work at a call center with training. Homeless due to jobless people in DC ? https://www.outsource2india.com/callcenter/site/

Low middle class income v no income? People moved from the south for manufacturing jobs in the north. Jobs gone.

Your kid didn't lose a job because an h1b is cheaper. He lost a job because he barely squeaked by in college and thinks an mcse certification erases that. Foreign born engineers are kicking our kids' butts.

Yes because all school funding is going to Hispanic children (with legal or illegal parents) money that could have gone to African American and other children. The American education system is in dire straits due to Obama's policy's.

Welcome to the GOP reality-free zone.

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Anonymous wrote:H1B visas- bring people in and we can see the children and grandchildren of prior H1B who are US citizens get snookered out of a job.

On another thread I commented that based on my experience if a person can work an iphone, laptop, etc they can work at a call center with training. Homeless due to jobless people in DC ? https://www.outsource2india.com/callcenter/site/

Low middle class income v no income? People moved from the south for manufacturing jobs in the north. Jobs gone.

Your kid didn't lose a job because an h1b is cheaper. He lost a job because he barely squeaked by in college and thinks an mcse certification erases that. Foreign born engineers are kicking our kids' butts.

Not my child. H1B's are cheaper. Our country can and does produce engineers and tech people. And we would have more if financial aid and loans and grants were bumped up for our citizens MAJORING in STEM.

We produce shockingly few for our size, particularly at the grad level. I can't tell you how many idiots get smoked in the interviews by some dude from India or China. In my company it has never been about price. There are a lot of incapable engineers with a degree but no actual talent. That is far less common among the foreign born engineers. My guess is the bad ones never get to America in the first place.

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We produce shockingly few for our size, particularly at the grad level. I can't tell you how many idiots get smoked in the interviews by some dude from India or China. In my company it has never been about price. There are a lot of incapable engineers with a degree but no actual talent. That is far less common among the foreign born engineers. My guess is the bad ones never get to America in the first place.

Part of the problem with recent grads from the US is that a lot don't seem to want to start at the bottom, work on not-so-fun projects, and ask for ridiculous pay for someone with zero to little real-work experience. That's been my experience after 20 yrs in the tech field.

[Anonymous]

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We produce shockingly few for our size, particularly at the grad level. I can't tell you how many idiots get smoked in the interviews by some dude from India or China. In my company it has never been about price. There are a lot of incapable engineers with a degree but no actual talent. That is far less common among the foreign born engineers. My guess is the bad ones never get to America in the first place.

Part of the problem with recent grads from the US is that a lot don't seem to want to start at the bottom, work on not-so-fun projects, and ask for ridiculous pay for someone with zero to little real-work experience. That's been my experience after 20 yrs in the tech field.

Yes, and too many smart kids want to become bankers or lawyers. In most countries the best and brightest go into science and engineering. Did you know that 65% of the graduate degrees in STEM awarded by American universities go to foreign born students? It's crazy. Worst of all, we teach them and then kick them out.

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We've dumbed down our educational system, we hate educational standards, we are anti-intellectual, half of the damn country doesn't believe in evolution, thinks the world is only 6,000 years old and that man coexisted with dinosaurs. Is it any surprise we suck at STEM?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:H1B visas- bring people in and we can see the children and grandchildren of prior H1B who are US citizens get snookered out of a job.

On another thread I commented that based on my experience if a person can work an iphone, laptop, etc they can work at a call center with training. Homeless due to jobless people in DC ? https://www.outsource2india.com/callcenter/site/

Low middle class income v no income? People moved from the south for manufacturing jobs in the north. Jobs gone.

Your kid didn't lose a job because an h1b is cheaper. He lost a job because he barely squeaked by in college and thinks an mcse certification erases that. Foreign born engineers are kicking our kids' butts.

here we go again. People that blindly follow authority, believe the likes of billionaires Zuckerberg, Gates, Elison. Just because they say so it must be true. Please read about the actual issue rather than speaking out of your own butt.

Americans can compete with anyone. H1Bs are imported because they are cheap and desperate. I work with hordes of H1Bs, imported by bodyshops in new jersey, gifted visas by our federal government. They are nice people and will work weekends on end, and will work all night on demand. I would too if I was desperate for a green card and came from India to US.

I know you so, so want it to be true, that our gov doesn't screw workers on purpose, but facts is H1B and F1 and OPT and H2B and all the other scams have screwed a generation of native born citizens from good jobs. But you f'ck your neighbors kids better to import guest workers from half way around the world than hire someone from virginia.

there will always be the 1% of 1% at google and facebook and netflix, that will make shitloads of money, but go into any large corporation and visit the IT department and you will see TCS, Hexaware, Cognizant, Wipro, feasting off 6 year guaranteed slave labor. and forget a career, you will be fired at 40 or older and replaced with an H1B.

sad part is there are still people that think this is good for US. all these good jobs, health care, building infrastructure, and we outsource them. and then obama wants tech companies to interview developers from howard, come on. those days are gone, 80's are long long gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We've dumbed down our educational system, we hate educational standards, we are anti-intellectual, half of the damn country doesn't believe in evolution, thinks the world is only 6,000 years old and that man coexisted with dinosaurs. Is it any surprise we suck at STEM?

why do you say this? we are leaders in STEM, everyone is trying to come to US. were do you work and what technology do you build? you sound like someone that has no actual knowledge of the industry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've dumbed down our educational system, we hate educational standards, we are anti-intellectual, half of the damn country doesn't believe in evolution, thinks the world is only 6,000 years old and that man coexisted with dinosaurs. Is it any surprise we suck at STEM?

why do you say this? we are leaders in STEM, everyone is trying to come to US. were do you work and what technology do you build? you sound like someone that has no actual knowledge of the industry.

We are absolutely not leaders in STEM. Have you gone to any university engineering department lately? They are three quarters foreign born.

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Anonymous wrote:I will bet serious money that anyone in that video who has been on the fence about Trump, just fell his way. One thing for employees and families to relocate to another state, another out of the country. I personally wouldn't go, and I'd feel the same if the relocation was to England.

And ex-pats everywhere are grateful beyond belief that you will stay in your parochial, insular cocoon. Attitudes like this damage our reputation as people worldwide and it's good that you won't spread your joy.

That doesn't make any sense. Labor doesn't necessarily get to follow capital. Moreover, people have social networks. Should workers relo to a foreign country, then lose their jobs, and expect they will be able to lane another. Look @ the resistance to immigration in this country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've dumbed down our educational system, we hate educational standards, we are anti-intellectual, half of the damn country doesn't believe in evolution, thinks the world is only 6,000 years old and that man coexisted with dinosaurs. Is it any surprise we suck at STEM?

why do you say this? we are leaders in STEM, everyone is trying to come to US. were do you work and what technology do you build? you sound like someone that has no actual knowledge of the industry.

We are absolutely not leaders in STEM. Have you gone to any university engineering department lately? They are three quarters foreign born.

We would like to call ourselves leaders STEM but we aren't. And I'm saying that as a licensed professional engineer who spent many years deeply involved in state engineering boards, NCEES and wrestling with ABET and universities on the issue. Universities have been watering engineering degrees down, even as the profession of engineering has been becoming more complex. There's been a deep frustration in the engineering world that we're like a house built on quicksand. The typical engineering grad from many foreign universities has considerably more depth and technical work under his belt than the comparable US engineering grad these days.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a Trump/Cruz fan in the least but I wonder why this move was really necessary?

Carrier Tech just gave Trump and Cruz more gasoline for the fire.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/watch-1-400-people-learn-030718813.html

Im confused. Why would this help Trump. Trump's entire clothing line Is made in China, Mexico, and Bangladesh. He would support a move like this based on his own actions.

Trump has gone after companies who move oversea for cheap labor. He says he will put tariffs in place to make it impossible for those companies to make a profit exporting their products back to the U.S. I agree with him. Something has to be done to keep jobs here. Our tax system already hugely favors financial firm over manufacturing.

The US has one of the highest business tax rates in the industrial world. Until that issue is addressed we will continue he to see more companies leave the US. It's basic math.

Not really. The actual effective tax rate here is 27.1%. The effective OECD average us 27.7%. Conservatives point to the marginal rate but forget about all the deductions they created.

The problem is that not all companies benefit from the deductions equally. Those that don't leave. I work for a traditional manufacturing company and we are well above 27%.

[Anonymous]

There is a lawless element in Mexico. Perhaps the United Technology brainiacs will head on down to lovely Monterrey:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/its-not-crime-its-war-7411611

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/drug-cartel-ruled-in/2511676.html

[Anonymous]

This should be an easy one. UTC has a great deal of U.S. government contracts. The government should just make clear that unless the plant stays here, the contracts will go away.

It should be the same with tax inversions. Many of these companies do substantial business with the government. Even if there's no legislative or regulatory way to stop tax inversions, the government should make clear that any inversion will result in an effective debarment.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a lawless element in Mexico. Perhaps the United Technology brainiacs will head on down to lovely Monterrey:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/its-not-crime-its-war-7411611

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/drug-cartel-ruled-in/2511676.html

If its so lawless, how does trump make his signature apparel there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This should be an easy one. UTC has a great deal of U.S. government contracts. The government should just make clear that unless the plant stays here, the contracts will go away.

It should be the same with tax inversions. Many of these companies do substantial business with the government. Even if there's no legislative or regulatory way to stop tax inversions, the government should make clear that any inversion will result in an effective debarment.

It should be easy. If our culture actually cared about each other But we don't. Every man for himself. Until it affects your own family.