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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We've dumbed down our educational system, we hate educational standards, we are anti-intellectual, half of the damn country doesn't believe in evolution, thinks the world is only 6,000 years old and that man coexisted with dinosaurs.  Is it any surprise we suck at STEM?[/quote]

why do you say this?  we are leaders in STEM, everyone is trying to come to US.  were do you work and what technology do you build?  you sound like someone that has no actual knowledge of the industry. [/quote]

We are absolutely not leaders in STEM.  Have you gone to any university engineering department lately?  They are three quarters foreign born.[/quote]

We would like to call ourselves leaders STEM but we aren't.  And I'm saying that as a licensed professional engineer who spent many years deeply involved in state engineering boards, NCEES and wrestling with ABET and universities on the issue.  Universities have been watering engineering degrees down, even as the profession of engineering has been becoming more complex.  There's been a deep frustration in the engineering world that we're like a house built on quicksand.  The typical engineering grad from many foreign universities has considerably more depth and technical work under his belt than the comparable US engineering grad these days.[/quote]

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