Let's talk about the debate

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Anonymous wrote:I see the Bernie bros are out in force

Let me tell you a few things. Bernie's plans means your taxes will go up. I know you think you are middle class, but in fact, you will be considered pretty rich and will pay accordingly. It's still not clear HOW he intends to implement and pay for any of his proposals, including his proposed healthcare overhaul (which is ridiculous considering the shitshow that the very middle of the road Obamacare caused). It is also pretty unclear to me what exactly he has accomplished in his very lengthy political career, and how he was able to use compromise and work across the isle to get things accomplished (spoiler alert: you need compromise if you want this country to work, as we have been well aware in the past 8 years). His gun and immigration policies are dismal, and as a senator from a very vanilla state, he has no idea how to represent the diverse make up of the entire US. Just a few things to mull over.

Hillary is by no means perfect. But, she has been fighting this fight for years, beginning with her projects as First Lady. She knows the ins and outs of Capitol Hill, and yes, she may have even been shady in those dealings at times, but guess what? That's how shit gets done. Furthermore, she is far, far, FAR more qualified in terms of foreign policy, and that is pretty damn important right now. Maybe this is me being a pragmatic, but she is the only one who can beat a Republican and the only moderate in the current presidential race.

Bs is right: If you wa t to slow the economic slide we've experienced since 1970, vote Hillary. If you want to reverse ut, vote Bernie. Period.

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see the Bernie bros are out in force

Let me tell you a few things. Bernie's plans means your taxes will go up. I know you think you are middle class, but in fact, you will be considered pretty rich and will pay accordingly. It's still not clear HOW he intends to implement and pay for any of his proposals, including his proposed healthcare overhaul (which is ridiculous considering the shitshow that the very middle of the road Obamacare caused). It is also pretty unclear to me what exactly he has accomplished in his very lengthy political career, and how he was able to use compromise and work across the isle to get things accomplished (spoiler alert: you need compromise if you want this country to work, as we have been well aware in the past 8 years). His gun and immigration policies are dismal, and as a senator from a very vanilla state, he has no idea how to represent the diverse make up of the entire US. Just a few things to mull over.

Hillary is by no means perfect. But, she has been fighting this fight for years, beginning with her projects as First Lady. She knows the ins and outs of Capitol Hill, and yes, she may have even been shady in those dealings at times, but guess what? That's how shit gets done. Furthermore, she is far, far, FAR more qualified in terms of foreign policy, and that is pretty damn important right now. Maybe this is me being a pragmatic, but she is the only one who can beat a Republican and the only moderate in the current presidential race.

Bs is right: If you wa t to slow the economic slide we've experienced since 1970, vote Hillary. If you want to reverse ut, vote Bernie. Period.

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

Great. Tell me exactly how all of this plans will be implemented. The logistics. I haven't seen that yet, and I am very interested.

[Anonymous]

It's easier to implement Clintons plan because it's essentially already in place. You think this works for America, then you are good to go.

HRC is trying to sow seeds of fear by saying BS will leave the us in disarray by trying something new (nevermind that it has been tested and well implemented elsewhere). This is nonsense. And she should be ashamed.

[Anonymous]

HRC's message is simple -- and true:

Nominate Bernie and the GOP wins, putting one of those psycho clowns in the White House.

Bernie has great ideas, but they will never fly and they scare the shit out of anyone who makes more than minimum wage. He simply can't be elected.

Vote Hillary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see the Bernie bros are out in force

Let me tell you a few things. Bernie's plans means your taxes will go up. I know you think you are middle class, but in fact, you will be considered pretty rich and will pay accordingly. It's still not clear HOW he intends to implement and pay for any of his proposals, including his proposed healthcare overhaul (which is ridiculous considering the shitshow that the very middle of the road Obamacare caused). It is also pretty unclear to me what exactly he has accomplished in his very lengthy political career, and how he was able to use compromise and work across the isle to get things accomplished (spoiler alert: you need compromise if you want this country to work, as we have been well aware in the past 8 years). His gun and immigration policies are dismal, and as a senator from a very vanilla state, he has no idea how to represent the diverse make up of the entire US. Just a few things to mull over.

Hillary is by no means perfect. But, she has been fighting this fight for years, beginning with her projects as First Lady. She knows the ins and outs of Capitol Hill, and yes, she may have even been shady in those dealings at times, but guess what? That's how shit gets done. Furthermore, she is far, far, FAR more qualified in terms of foreign policy, and that is pretty damn important right now. Maybe this is me being a pragmatic, but she is the only one who can beat a Republican and the only moderate in the current presidential race.

Bs is right: If you wa t to slow the economic slide we've experienced since 1970, vote Hillary. If you want to reverse ut, vote Bernie. Period.

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

Me, too. We make $240,000 and I'm sure our taxes will go up. OK. First, it's the right thing to do. Second, when quality of life goes up for lower income and lower-middle class people, "everyone" benefits. Less crime. Less health care costs. Less time missed from work. Healthier, happier people. It won't be nirvana, but it will be much better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can appreciate Sanders honesty and independence. But most of his proposals strike me as overly simplistic. It seems to me that he appeals primarily to the young, who have yet to work their way to a well paying job,

The average American adult doesn't have a well paying job. Unless you consider a median US HHI of $52,000 well paying. Which in a two income family is about 25k job for each spouse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hillary is just off putting to me.

What is it specifically?

She comes off as devious rather than genuine.

+1

Agree, very disengenuous and theway she raises her voice at the end of a sentence as if anticipating an applause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bernie Sanders tax strategy makes total sense. Tax the uberwealthy and big corporations that have been sucking America dry for decades. Let them invest in their workers and consumers. Do it, Bernie.

He can't do it because there's a little thing called Congress standing in the way.

+1. These things are nice ideas, but there's no realistic chance of getting them passed the way Sanders has proposed. Someone previous criticized Clinton essentially for proposing change that is too incremental (e.g., improving the health care system we have rather than implementing a universal health care system), but the reality is the Dems best chance of getting things done in the next 4-8 years if they win the presidency. I'll take someone who understands political reality any day. For years under W. the Democrats "thought big" and took big, principled stands on things, and the Republicans out-smarted them every step because the Republicans were pragmatic. Now that the Democrats have become more pragmatic as well, they've had better results .

Absolutely, I agree. It's so easy for Bernie to say these things, but, there is absolutely no way he can get ANY of it done. Even HRC will have a hard time getting things accomplished bc Congress is so vitriolic. Somehow Bernie, a "socialist" will be able to pass his legislation? The idea is ridiculous. Anyhow, he is get creamed in a general election if he does become the nominee. I am surprised how many supporters he has on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm really enjoying this debate.

Me too - pathetically comical.

Both this and the Republican debates are like SNL.skits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HRC's message is simple -- and true:

Nominate Bernie and the GOP wins, putting one of those psycho clowns in the White House.

Bernie has great ideas, but they will never fly and they scare the shit out of anyone who makes more than minimum wage. He simply can't be elected.

Vote Hillary.

The latest polls are suggesting the precise opposite. Sanders may be more electable than Clinton in the general (and he's going up, while she's trending down)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

Me, too. We make $240,000 and I'm sure our taxes will go up. OK. First, it's the right thing to do. Second, when quality of life goes up for lower income and lower-middle class people, "everyone" benefits. Less crime. Less health care costs. Less time missed from work. Healthier, happier people. It won't be nirvana, but it will be much better.

In a similar situation and completely agree with these statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see the Bernie bros are out in force

Let me tell you a few things. Bernie's plans means your taxes will go up. I know you think you are middle class, but in fact, you will be considered pretty rich and will pay accordingly. It's still not clear HOW he intends to implement and pay for any of his proposals, including his proposed healthcare overhaul (which is ridiculous considering the shitshow that the very middle of the road Obamacare caused). It is also pretty unclear to me what exactly he has accomplished in his very lengthy political career, and how he was able to use compromise and work across the isle to get things accomplished (spoiler alert: you need compromise if you want this country to work, as we have been well aware in the past 8 years). His gun and immigration policies are dismal, and as a senator from a very vanilla state, he has no idea how to represent the diverse make up of the entire US. Just a few things to mull over.

Hillary is by no means perfect. But, she has been fighting this fight for years, beginning with her projects as First Lady. She knows the ins and outs of Capitol Hill, and yes, she may have even been shady in those dealings at times, but guess what? That's how shit gets done. Furthermore, she is far, far, FAR more qualified in terms of foreign policy, and that is pretty damn important right now. Maybe this is me being a pragmatic, but she is the only one who can beat a Republican and the only moderate in the current presidential race.

Bs is right: If you wa t to slow the economic slide we've experienced since 1970, vote Hillary. If you want to reverse ut, vote Bernie. Period.

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

Me, too. We make $240,000 and I'm sure our taxes will go up. OK. First, it's the right thing to do. Second, when quality of life goes up for lower income and lower-middle class people, "everyone" benefits. Less crime. Less health care costs. Less time missed from work. Healthier, happier people. It won't be nirvana, but it will be much better.

You all are missing out the point. Raising the minimum wage will do nothing to account for what is the root cause of poverty: discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

Me, too. We make $240,000 and I'm sure our taxes will go up. OK. First, it's the right thing to do. Second, when quality of life goes up for lower income and lower-middle class people, "everyone" benefits. Less crime. Less health care costs. Less time missed from work. Healthier, happier people. It won't be nirvana, but it will be much better.

In a similar situation and completely agree with these statements.

Great. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me exactly how Bernie's plans will be implemented and funded. I can't seem to find that info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

Me, too. We make $240,000 and I'm sure our taxes will go up. OK. First, it's the right thing to do. Second, when quality of life goes up for lower income and lower-middle class people, "everyone" benefits. Less crime. Less health care costs. Less time missed from work. Healthier, happier people. It won't be nirvana, but it will be much better.

In a similar situation and completely agree with these statements.

Great. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me exactly how Bernie's plans will be implemented and funded. I can't seem to find that info.

Powerball

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see the Bernie bros are out in force

Let me tell you a few things. Bernie's plans means your taxes will go up. I know you think you are middle class, but in fact, you will be considered pretty rich and will pay accordingly. It's still not clear HOW he intends to implement and pay for any of his proposals, including his proposed healthcare overhaul (which is ridiculous considering the shitshow that the very middle of the road Obamacare caused). It is also pretty unclear to me what exactly he has accomplished in his very lengthy political career, and how he was able to use compromise and work across the isle to get things accomplished (spoiler alert: you need compromise if you want this country to work, as we have been well aware in the past 8 years). His gun and immigration policies are dismal, and as a senator from a very vanilla state, he has no idea how to represent the diverse make up of the entire US. Just a few things to mull over.

Hillary is by no means perfect. But, she has been fighting this fight for years, beginning with her projects as First Lady. She knows the ins and outs of Capitol Hill, and yes, she may have even been shady in those dealings at times, but guess what? That's how shit gets done. Furthermore, she is far, far, FAR more qualified in terms of foreign policy, and that is pretty damn important right now. Maybe this is me being a pragmatic, but she is the only one who can beat a Republican and the only moderate in the current presidential race.

Bs is right: If you wa t to slow the economic slide we've experienced since 1970, vote Hillary. If you want to reverse ut, vote Bernie. Period.

Not a Bernie Bro. An somewhat upper middle class professional white woman with two kids, who's travelled the world. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. Taxes don't scare me. I want a better life for you, me, my kids, your kids, and especially the little kids in the shitty schools and neighborhoods a few mikes from me. Tax our corporations, mega wealthy, and get money out of politics. Tax me too. Cheaper than the thousands we give to charity to do what we could be preventing and doing more efficiently. I can do math. It's my job. It makes sense.

Great. Tell me exactly how all of this plans will be implemented. The logistics. I haven't seen that yet, and I am very interested.

Have you looked at what he has accomplished during his tenure on the Senate floor? The dude freaking walks around the floor with an old sandwich in one pocket and a banana hanging out of the other!!!

FOr Christ sake, I wish Liberals actually LOOKED at their candidate with an open mind, Did some research instead of absorbing what the liberal media spoon feeds your lemming mind!