Does this make me classist or (shudder!) racist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard rich, white folks use conversate, orientate, irregardless, could care less, etc etc.

AX is just a dialect. May not be awesome, but no worse than "warsh" (Baltimore), Birfday" (my upper PA in laws say this), or whatever. Really. You KNOW your kid is not going to come home saying "ax," so the only reason it bothers you is because...actually, I don't know why.

You idiot. "orientate" "irregardless" and "could care less" are all 100% grammatically correct.

Oriented. Regardless (the other only RECENTLY accepted due to rampant use). Could care less isn't what you use when you are saying that you CouldN'T care less.

Do you want to try writing that out again, in English this time?

Different poster. She/he is speaking English. I think you just find it sucks to be wrong.

And ANYBODY who has bothered to study linguistics, and not their own biases, knows that ax/ask is a dialect. And I posted this in the last thread--unless you say Feb-roo-ary, you are saying it wrong. And words like often can be pronounced multiple ways. It is language, not a learning disability as another ignorant poster said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard rich, white folks use conversate, orientate, irregardless, could care less, etc etc.

AX is just a dialect. May not be awesome, but no worse than "warsh" (Baltimore), Birfday" (my upper PA in laws say this), or whatever. Really. You KNOW your kid is not going to come home saying "ax," so the only reason it bothers you is because...actually, I don't know why.

False equivalence. Ax is not a dialect or an accent. It is a mispronunciation of word, which reveals either a lack of education or some kind of learning disability. The white people who use the words you listed above are revealing a lack of education. Not sure how that aided your argument. All you're really saying is that there are also uneducated whites (or whites who are uneducated on the use of those words).

I grew up in the 1980s in a public school system that was 100% white. There were kids in my school who said ax instead of ask (if white kids in my lily-white town use it, how could it be a black dialect?). Those kids, more often than not, landed in the remedial program, and were certainly not the high performers when high school came around.

The true racists on this board are the apologists chalking up the use of ax as a black dialect, as if no one should expect blacks to be educated enough to know the difference. Sorry folks, but holding the black teacher to a lower standard is racist.

Pot meet kettle! You are the ignorant one ... educated yourself on the history of the pronunciation.

Nonsense. The Chaucer story is far from compelling.

+1. The bolded is absolutely not true. Google is your friend on this.

Nonsense. The Chaucer story is far from compelling.

Where's Beowulf on this subject? Just had to aks.

[Anonymous]

Just because a word is pronounced differently as a matter of the dialect doesn't make the mispronciation correct of acceptable. Of course, there will be some disagreement about he actual proper pronunciation of a word--disposal vs. dispose ALL, e.g. but dialect not withstanding at the end of the day there is a proper way to say most words and ax for asked is not it correct. If a teacher or anybody said ax it would bother me and honestly, it should be eradicated from one's vocabulary.

[Anonymous]

Ima say yes--classist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have heard rich, white folks use conversate, orientate, irregardless, could care less, etc etc.

AX is just a dialect. May not be awesome, but no worse than "warsh" (Baltimore), Birfday" (my upper PA in laws say this), or whatever. Really. You KNOW your kid is not going to come home saying "ax," so the only reason it bothers you is because...actually, I don't know why.

You idiot. "orientate" "irregardless" and "could care less" are all 100% grammatically correct.

Oriented. Regardless (the other only RECENTLY accepted due to rampant use). Could care less isn't what you use when you are saying that you CouldN'T care less.

Do you want to try writing that out again, in English this time?

Different poster. She/he is speaking English. I think you just find it sucks to be wrong.

And ANYBODY who has bothered to study linguistics, and not their own biases, knows that ax/ask is a dialect. And I posted this in the last thread--unless you say Feb-roo-ary, you are saying it wrong. And words like often can be pronounced multiple ways. It is language, not a learning disability as another ignorant poster said.

Check again - I said that all those examples are "grammatically correct". Whether the common usage is "could" or "couldn't" is not relevant to BOTH being GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT. So where am I wrong again? Oh yes, that would be no where.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

It just sounds ignorant. I think southern accents or beautiful but that doesn't mean that anything southern is ok if it's just grammatically incorrect. Obviously not all agree--I also don't like "you's guys." Do you? If you don't or if you take issue with other speech I guess you need to "get over yourself." Geez so intolerant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

It just sounds ignorant. I think southern accents or beautiful but that doesn't mean that anything southern is ok if it's just grammatically incorrect. Obviously not all agree--I also don't like "you's guys." Do you? If you don't or if you take issue with other speech I guess you need to "get over yourself." Geez so intolerant.

I could give less than a flyin' fig whether somebody says youse guys or you guys (and btw, it's youse, not you's....if you're trying to be hip with the lingo, get it right).

Nor did I care when Trump said "folks, we're gonna win this thing." How dare he speak incorrectly. the word is 'going to win', not 'gonna win.' After all he is a multi-billionaire so he shouldn't use incorrect English. He has too much money for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

It just sounds ignorant. I think southern accents or beautiful but that doesn't mean that anything southern is ok if it's just grammatically incorrect. Obviously not all agree--I also don't like "you's guys." Do you? If you don't or if you take issue with other speech I guess you need to "get over yourself." Geez so intolerant.

Respectfully, I don't think those people give a sh!t what you think since you're not contributing nothing to their well-being. Truly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes you racist and little ignorant. Do you care that a teacher from Boston does not pronounce their r's? No. Because when white people don't pronounce things correctly it is cute when black people do it, you think they are uneducated.

Not the pp but that's just not the case--poor grammar is poor grammar. When my southern in laws say fixin or the something akin to that it drives me nuts! It's not a race thing but it may be a class thing. Other things I can't stand: "alls I'm saying," "where you at?,", I could care less," etc.

I have absolutely no issue when my southern people say 'let me fix you a messin' of biscuits.'

My response is 'hell, yeah, bring me a messin' of those biscuits with some honey! What is with you PP? Not everyone speaks in your dialect. Not talking about poor grammar here but the vernacular of the region. Get over yourself!

It just sounds ignorant. I think southern accents or beautiful but that doesn't mean that anything southern is ok if it's just grammatically incorrect. Obviously not all agree--I also don't like "you's guys." Do you? If you don't or if you take issue with other speech I guess you need to "get over yourself." Geez so intolerant.

Respectfully, I don't think those people give a sh!t what you think since you're not contributing nothing to their well-being. Truly.

*anything*. Calm down! Don't stroke out on me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A couple of years ago I took DC to visit a school in a suburb in Massachusetts. We got lost so I asked a police officer for directions. He said ".......then you go down to the "yad" and turn right. I thanked him but was thinking what the hell is a 'yad' and assumed it was a street. Stopping again to get directions, another individual said ".....go down to the YARD and make a right."

Some is mispronunciation. Other IS dialect. Would you crucify the police officer for mispronunication or credit it to dialect?

It is association. When people in DC hear "Hahvahd Yahd" they are likely to think of JFK. When they hear "axe" they may think of Marion Barry.

[Anonymous]

My principal says, "Ax" instead of "Ask." It used to make me cringe but when I think about it, I have to applaud her. I don't know her childhood background but she went to Harvard. It's not like anyone can say anything to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My principal says, "Ax" instead of "Ask." It used to make me cringe but when I think about it, I have to applaud her. I don't know her childhood background but she went to Harvard. It's not like anyone can say anything to her.

I call BS.

[Anonymous]

I heard somebody say "aks" just this morning. English is at least her third language. She's a college graduate. If I assumed that she was ignorant based on her saying "aks", that would be ignorant of me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A couple of years ago I took DC to visit a school in a suburb in Massachusetts. We got lost so I asked a police officer for directions. He said ".......then you go down to the "yad" and turn right. I thanked him but was thinking what the hell is a 'yad' and assumed it was a street. Stopping again to get directions, another individual said ".....go down to the YARD and make a right."

Some is mispronunciation. Other IS dialect. Would you crucify the police officer for mispronunication or credit it to dialect?

It is association. When people in DC hear "Hahvahd Yahd" they are likely to think of JFK. When they hear "axe" they may think of Marion Barry.

And you're making quite an assumption that people today associate "Hahvahd Yahd" with JFK. Unless you're around 55-60 years or a serious student of history or linguistics, many don't known the linguistic association. I will put that to the test later today when I talk to my 17-year old who wants to minor in history, major in CS.