South Arlington and North Arlington Schools

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Anonymous wrote:What's up with the hate hard-on some of these Yorktown posters have for W-L? Are the posters actually, like, high school football players? Or kids who are mad that W-L had a better Ivy acceptance rate last year and a few years before that?

I objected to the pp's prattling on about the homogeneity at Yorktown (as if that's a bad thing), but I have no issues with W-L. I think it's a fine school.

" I objected to having to acknowledge that Yorktown isn't a very diverse schools. Although the very reason I chose it, is because it isn't a very diverse school"


Fixed it for you.

Why do you keep insisting diversity is a virtue? It can be, but it isn't automatically so. Similarly, relative homogeneity doesn't mean a school is bad, yet you seem to believe this to be the case.
Do you hate historically black colleges and universities, too?

No where has anyone said that other than you. I went to an extremely wealthy high school growing up. Granted, it was much wealthier than Yorktown, but Yorktown is close enough. I don't want my children surrounded almost exclusively by rich, elistest, entitled kids. I'm not alone in this fear. MANY ( not some) people on this board have echoed similar sentiments.
Do I want my kid in a school with a majority esol and farms? No!
I would like a reasonable mix. Arlington isn't doing a great job of that at the moment. W-L is pretty close. A few of the more centrally located elemetaries seem to have nice mix.
You think the homogeneous exclusivity of Yorktown is a plus. Great! Mant posters share your view and certainly the property values in 22207 reflect that.
Why get so defensive when others don't agree?

You're not "disagreeing." You're implying that people who send their children to homogenous schools are somehow racist or doing a disservice to their children. Hence the defensiveness. Try a little introspection. You're being sanctimonious -- your piousness is in the blanket assertion that diversity by default is a virtue; it's not.

In my case -- since you asked -- I don't consider Yorktown's relative homogeneity to be a "plus." I consider Yorktown to be an excellent school with excellent resources and an excellent track record for success of its graduates. There's no skin color/economic litmus test to satisfy when I make those evaluations.

Ironically, you seem to live in a black-and-white world defined by stereotypes and caricatures. You know nothing about me, my family's values, the way my kids are raised, or anything, except you have concluded that we are rich, elitist and entitled. Here's a hint: Only one of us is behaving that way. I have attacked no school -- I happen to think W-L is a very good HS, and I would send my kids there if they wanted to do IB (and a lot of people in 22207 DO send their kids there for IB). You, on the other hand, cannot stop attacking Yorktown for some imaginary faults that clearly seem rooted in some childhood trauma of yours. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's up with the hate hard-on some of these Yorktown posters have for W-L? Are the posters actually, like, high school football players? Or kids who are mad that W-L had a better Ivy acceptance rate last year and a few years before that?

I objected to the pp's prattling on about the homogeneity at Yorktown (as if that's a bad thing), but I have no issues with W-L. I think it's a fine school.

" I objected to having to acknowledge that Yorktown isn't a very diverse schools. Although the very reason I chose it, is because it isn't a very diverse school"


Fixed it for you.

Why do you keep insisting diversity is a virtue? It can be, but it isn't automatically so. Similarly, relative homogeneity doesn't mean a school is bad, yet you seem to believe this to be the case.
Do you hate historically black colleges and universities, too?

No where has anyone said that other than you. I went to an extremely wealthy high school growing up. Granted, it was much wealthier than Yorktown, but Yorktown is close enough. I don't want my children surrounded almost exclusively by rich, elistest, entitled kids. I'm not alone in this fear. MANY ( not some) people on this board have echoed similar sentiments.
Do I want my kid in a school with a majority esol and farms? No!
I would like a reasonable mix. Arlington isn't doing a great job of that at the moment. W-L is pretty close. A few of the more centrally located elemetaries seem to have nice mix.
You think the homogeneous exclusivity of Yorktown is a plus. Great! Mant posters share your view and certainly the property values in 22207 reflect that.
Why get so defensive when others don't agree?

You're not "disagreeing." You're implying that people who send their children to homogenous schools are somehow racist or doing a disservice to their children. Hence the defensiveness. Try a little introspection. You're being sanctimonious -- your piousness is in the blanket assertion that diversity by default is a virtue; it's not.

In my case -- since you asked -- I don't consider Yorktown's relative homogeneity to be a "plus." I consider Yorktown to be an excellent school with excellent resources and an excellent track record for success of its graduates. There's no skin color/economic litmus test to satisfy when I make those evaluations.

Ironically, you seem to live in a black-and-white world defined by stereotypes and caricatures. You know nothing about me, my family's values, the way my kids are raised, or anything, except you have concluded that we are rich, elitist and entitled. Here's a hint: Only one of us is behaving that way. I have attacked no school -- I happen to think W-L is a very good HS, and I would send my kids there if they wanted to do IB (and a lot of people in 22207 DO send their kids there for IB). You, on the other hand, cannot stop attacking Yorktown for some imaginary faults that clearly seem rooted in some childhood trauma of yours. Get over yourself.

You literally sound unhinged. I gave some information to OP mainly concerning schools other than Yorktown. What I said about Yorktown was mainly positive- highly desirable, impressive scores etc... I pointed out one aspect that people ( there are other threads discussing it) have pointed out can be seen as a drawback.
The point of my original post was mainly that W-L and Wakefield actually have more in common. You've gotten extremely defensive about ... I'm not even sure anymore.
I don't understand why it so hard for some people's world views to be challenged. It shouldn't be so threatening to you that others would make another choice for their kids. It really shouldn't.
I do have some personal experience here that informs why I feel as I do. That's how most people make choices as they grow up. I'm sure there are very down to earth kids at Yorktown, I didn't mean to paint them all in a negative light. However, having my kid in a school with almost exclusively wealthy students isn't what I would chose.

[Anonymous]

Ps OP- the above exchange is kinda what I meant about North Arlington posters ( mainly Yorktown- I really think it's the same 1 or 2 people) sucking up the air in these discussions.
Please repost about specific schools for better information. Sorry to derail your thread.

[Anonymous]

If W-L really had more in common with Wakefield than Yorktown, you'd expect W-L and Wakefield to have the big rivalry. That's not the case. Yorktown and W-L are the big rivals, and Wakefield has always been the neglected stepsister. I'm sorry, PP, but you are just another poster looking for reasons to take cheap shots at Yorktown in order to portray other Arlington schools in a more favorable light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If W-L really had more in common with Wakefield than Yorktown, you'd expect W-L and Wakefield to have the big rivalry. That's not the case. Yorktown and W-L are the big rivals, and Wakefield has always been the neglected stepsister. I'm sorry, PP, but you are just another poster looking for reasons to take cheap shots at Yorktown in order to portray other Arlington schools in a more favorable light.

Yes, the big sports rivalry is between W-L and Yorktown. No disputing that. The demographics break down is more more similar between Wakfield and W-L. Also if you look a great schools Wakefield is a 4 - Washington Lee is a 5
Yorktown is an 8 ( and fluctuates up from there).
How is that being negative to Yorktown?
You should look into therapy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's up with the hate hard-on some of these Yorktown posters have for W-L? Are the posters actually, like, high school football players? Or kids who are mad that W-L had a better Ivy acceptance rate last year and a few years before that?

I objected to the pp's prattling on about the homogeneity at Yorktown (as if that's a bad thing), but I have no issues with W-L. I think it's a fine school.

" I objected to having to acknowledge that Yorktown isn't a very diverse schools. Although the very reason I chose it, is because it isn't a very diverse school"


Fixed it for you.

Why do you keep insisting diversity is a virtue? It can be, but it isn't automatically so. Similarly, relative homogeneity doesn't mean a school is bad, yet you seem to believe this to be the case.
Do you hate historically black colleges and universities, too?

No where has anyone said that other than you. I went to an extremely wealthy high school growing up. Granted, it was much wealthier than Yorktown, but Yorktown is close enough. I don't want my children surrounded almost exclusively by rich, elistest, entitled kids. I'm not alone in this fear. MANY ( not some) people on this board have echoed similar sentiments.
Do I want my kid in a school with a majority esol and farms? No!
I would like a reasonable mix. Arlington isn't doing a great job of that at the moment. W-L is pretty close. A few of the more centrally located elemetaries seem to have nice mix.
You think the homogeneous exclusivity of Yorktown is a plus. Great! Mant posters share your view and certainly the property values in 22207 reflect that.
Why get so defensive when others don't agree?

You're not "disagreeing." You're implying that people who send their children to homogenous schools are somehow racist or doing a disservice to their children. Hence the defensiveness. Try a little introspection. You're being sanctimonious -- your piousness is in the blanket assertion that diversity by default is a virtue; it's not.

In my case -- since you asked -- I don't consider Yorktown's relative homogeneity to be a "plus." I consider Yorktown to be an excellent school with excellent resources and an excellent track record for success of its graduates. There's no skin color/economic litmus test to satisfy when I make those evaluations.

Ironically, you seem to live in a black-and-white world defined by stereotypes and caricatures. You know nothing about me, my family's values, the way my kids are raised, or anything, except you have concluded that we are rich, elitist and entitled. Here's a hint: Only one of us is behaving that way. I have attacked no school -- I happen to think W-L is a very good HS, and I would send my kids there if they wanted to do IB (and a lot of people in 22207 DO send their kids there for IB). You, on the other hand, cannot stop attacking Yorktown for some imaginary faults that clearly seem rooted in some childhood trauma of yours. Get over yourself.

You literally sound unhinged. I gave some information to OP mainly concerning schools other than Yorktown. What I said about Yorktown was mainly positive- highly desirable, impressive scores etc... I pointed out one aspect that people ( there are other threads discussing it) have pointed out can be seen as a drawback.
The point of my original post was mainly that W-L and Wakefield actually have more in common. You've gotten extremely defensive about ... I'm not even sure anymore.
I don't understand why it so hard for some people's world views to be challenged. It shouldn't be so threatening to you that others would make another choice for their kids. It really shouldn't.
I do have some personal experience here that informs why I feel as I do. That's how most people make choices as they grow up. I'm sure there are very down to earth kids at Yorktown, I didn't mean to paint them all in a negative light. However, having my kid in a school with almost exclusively wealthy students isn't what I would chose.

Please, pp. Get control of yourself and stop sounding so hysterical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If W-L really had more in common with Wakefield than Yorktown, you'd expect W-L and Wakefield to have the big rivalry. That's not the case. Yorktown and W-L are the big rivals, and Wakefield has always been the neglected stepsister. I'm sorry, PP, but you are just another poster looking for reasons to take cheap shots at Yorktown in order to portray other Arlington schools in a more favorable light.

Yes, the big sports rivalry is between W-L and Yorktown. No disputing that. The demographics break down is more more similar between Wakfield and W-L. Also if you look a great schools Wakefield is a 4 - Washington Lee is a 5
Yorktown is an 8 ( and fluctuates up from there).
How is that being negative to Yorktown?
You should look into therapy.

How do people not get that the history of segregation still affects everything in APS? Why do you think W-L and Yorkown have a big rivalry, but not Wakefield? Because they didn't compete against each other, because of segregation. You may not think you are racist, but you can still support the perpetuation of differences (e.g. School boundaries) rooted in racism, which is almost as bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If W-L really had more in common with Wakefield than Yorktown, you'd expect W-L and Wakefield to have the big rivalry. That's not the case. Yorktown and W-L are the big rivals, and Wakefield has always been the neglected stepsister. I'm sorry, PP, but you are just another poster looking for reasons to take cheap shots at Yorktown in order to portray other Arlington schools in a more favorable light.

Yes, the big sports rivalry is between W-L and Yorktown. No disputing that. The demographics break down is more more similar between Wakfield and W-L. Also if you look a great schools Wakefield is a 4 - Washington Lee is a 5
Yorktown is an 8 ( and fluctuates up from there).
How is that being negative to Yorktown?
You should look into therapy.

How do people not get that the history of segregation still affects everything in APS? Why do you think W-L and Yorkown have a big rivalry, but not Wakefield? Because they didn't compete against each other, because of segregation. You may not think you are racist, but you can still support the perpetuation of differences (e.g. School boundaries) rooted in racism, which is almost as bad.

Was Wakefield ever an all black school? That wasn't my understanding at all. Please don't add historical ignorance to your other errors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If W-L really had more in common with Wakefield than Yorktown, you'd expect W-L and Wakefield to have the big rivalry. That's not the case. Yorktown and W-L are the big rivals, and Wakefield has always been the neglected stepsister. I'm sorry, PP, but you are just another poster looking for reasons to take cheap shots at Yorktown in order to portray other Arlington schools in a more favorable light.

Yes, the big sports rivalry is between W-L and Yorktown. No disputing that. The demographics break down is more more similar between Wakfield and W-L. Also if you look a great schools Wakefield is a 4 - Washington Lee is a 5
Yorktown is an 8 ( and fluctuates up from there).
How is that being negative to Yorktown?
You should look into therapy.

How do people not get that the history of segregation still affects everything in APS? Why do you think W-L and Yorkown have a big rivalry, but not Wakefield? Because they didn't compete against each other, because of segregation. You may not think you are racist, but you can still support the perpetuation of differences (e.g. School boundaries) rooted in racism, which is almost as bad.

Was Wakefield ever an all black school? That wasn't my understanding at all. Please don't add historical ignorance to your other errors.

No, but most black students enrolled there after Hoffman Boston was closed and the sports teams remained segregated.

[Anonymous]

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Check college admission rates. W-L's student body gets into more elite universities and at higher rates.

This was true in one anomalous year.

What about admission by race/sex/SES?

The latest SAT results show that white kids at W-L have, on average, higher SATs than white kids at Yorktown. But that doesn't mean all W-L kids are doing better in the college sweepstakes than all Yorktown kids.

You're comparing the results of a subset of WL to a larger sample. You do know about sampling error do you not?

Besides it isn't even true - the latest numbers state the opposite...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ps OP- the above exchange is kinda what I meant about North Arlington posters ( mainly Yorktown- I really think it's the same 1 or 2 people) sucking up the air in these discussions.
Please repost about specific schools for better information. Sorry to derail your thread.

I see what you tried to do there...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Check college admission rates. W-L's student body gets into more elite universities and at higher rates.

This was true in one anomalous year.

What about admission by race/sex/SES?

The latest SAT results show that white kids at W-L have, on average, higher SATs than white kids at Yorktown. But that doesn't mean all W-L kids are doing better in the college sweepstakes than all Yorktown kids.

You're comparing the results of a subset of WL to a larger sample. You do know about sampling error do you not?

Besides it isn't even true - the latest numbers state the opposite...

http://www.apsva.us/cms/lib2/VA01000586/Centricity/Domain/141/Press%20Release%20Table%203%20-%20SAT%20Schools%20All%20Reporting%20Groups.pdf

Average total SAT score for white students at W-L in 2015: 1862
Average total SAT score for white students at Yorktown in 2015: 1830

[Anonymous]

And average total SAT score for white students at Wakefield in 2015: 1639

[Anonymous]

In reviewing these numbers you need to keep in mind that at Yorktown twice the number of white kids took the SAT and that's going to lower the average. And neither school comes close to HB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In reviewing these numbers you need to keep in mind that at Yorktown twice the number of white kids took the SAT and that's going to lower the average. And neither school comes close to HB.

Would HB even report separately? All the kids there are officially students at either Yorktown, WL or Wakefield.

Also, even though it's a lottery school, there would be some sampling bias associated with HB given who is attracted to seek admission there in the first place.