Wiki version of what happened at Lemon Road

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the program at Lemon Road inferior to Westbriar's or Haycock's or Churchill Road's LIV? What does the percentage of FARMS have to with the quality /implementation of the AAP curriculum?

Has anyone on this thread claimed the FARMS percentage at Lemon Road has an impact on the AAP program there? If so, I missed it.

If there's an issue at Lemon Road, it's because FCPS decided to add LLIV at Westgate and Shrevewood shortly after it opened an AAP Center at Lemon Road. To the extent there's a smaller pool of AAP-eligible students at Lemon Road/Shrevewood/Westgate than in some areas in McLean and Vienna with lower FARMS percentages, it means that the three schools end up competing with each other for the AAP kids and none may have what's considered a "critical mass" of AAP students (i.e., two or more classrooms of AAP students in each grade). Whether that matters to you depends upon whether you really think having a "critical mass" of AAP kids is important.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you think it was in my child's best interest. If it was such a good thing, I wonder why you didn't consider a pupil placement to Lemon Road for your child. After all, there would be kids from Haycock there and there was no benefit to your child being at Haycock as opposed to Lemon Road, Shrevewood or Westgate.

It's over and done and I have accepted it. The only thing that really bothers me at this point is when folks like you can't acknowledge that it isn't as cut and dried as you are pretending here.

Boundaries change. I get it. Keep that in mind when you are on the receiving end of a boundary change. I expect you will not complain or try to prevent it.

I would love to pupil place my child at Lemon Road. Lemon Road did not have an AAP center before your child was moved there, so there would have been no reason for anyone to have pupil placed an AAP child to the school. I really don't know what you're still so upset about and why you feel your child had such a disservice. Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. They will continue on with those same children into high school. I would think differently if your child got moved into an entire new high school pyramid or something, but they've probably been with their same Shrevewood or Westgate friends from kindergarten on. They've just changed buildings more than once. What do you think was so traumatic? A new cafeteria and principal to get used to?

I should probably just let this discussion die but I do wonder why folks necessarily think the kids that left Haycock for LR went with their friends. It's entirely possible that their friends were kids that stayed at Haycock. So it was more than just a holding change. But it's over now and probably not worth the time we're spending discussing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you think it was in my child's best interest. If it was such a good thing, I wonder why you didn't consider a pupil placement to Lemon Road for your child. After all, there would be kids from Haycock there and there was no benefit to your child being at Haycock as opposed to Lemon Road, Shrevewood or Westgate.

It's over and done and I have accepted it. The only thing that really bothers me at this point is when folks like you can't acknowledge that it isn't as cut and dried as you are pretending here.

Boundaries change. I get it. Keep that in mind when you are on the receiving end of a boundary change. I expect you will not complain or try to prevent it.

I would love to pupil place my child at Lemon Road. Lemon Road did not have an AAP center before your child was moved there, so there would have been no reason for anyone to have pupil placed an AAP child to the school. I really don't know what you're still so upset about and why you feel your child had such a disservice. Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. They will continue on with those same children into high school. I would think differently if your child got moved into an entire new high school pyramid or something, but they've probably been with their same Shrevewood or Westgate friends from kindergarten on. They've just changed buildings more than once. What do you think was so traumatic? A new cafeteria and principal to get used to?

I should probably just let this discussion die but I do wonder why folks necessarily think the kids that left Haycock for LR went with their friends. It's entirely possible that their friends were kids that stayed at Haycock. So it was more than just a holding change. But it's over now and probably not worth the time we're spending discussing it.

I'm guessing your kid was at Shrevewood since you are so vocal. At 3rd grade your child along with 10 plus students from Shrevewood went over to Haycock for AAP. Just having 10 plus kids from their base school go over to AAP is better than most students have when switching schools. There they kept their current friends and made several new friends, some of which came from Lemon Road and Westgate. Then 1-2 years later they got switched to Lemon Road. The only friends they didn't get to stay at school with are the ones slated for Mclean high school and of course they could see them for playdates after school or on the weekend. They still get to be at school with their Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Westgate base school friends. Worst case, he or she got a new best friend in grades 3 and 4 and had to leave their new best friend in 5th which they would have done anyway by 7th. Kids leave all the time for moves. Your child has always had a base of friends he or she knows and has never had to start school knowing less than 10 people. Stop making a mountain our of a molehill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you think it was in my child's best interest. If it was such a good thing, I wonder why you didn't consider a pupil placement to Lemon Road for your child. After all, there would be kids from Haycock there and there was no benefit to your child being at Haycock as opposed to Lemon Road, Shrevewood or Westgate.

It's over and done and I have accepted it. The only thing that really bothers me at this point is when folks like you can't acknowledge that it isn't as cut and dried as you are pretending here.

Boundaries change. I get it. Keep that in mind when you are on the receiving end of a boundary change. I expect you will not complain or try to prevent it.

I would love to pupil place my child at Lemon Road. Lemon Road did not have an AAP center before your child was moved there, so there would have been no reason for anyone to have pupil placed an AAP child to the school. I really don't know what you're still so upset about and why you feel your child had such a disservice. Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. They will continue on with those same children into high school. I would think differently if your child got moved into an entire new high school pyramid or something, but they've probably been with their same Shrevewood or Westgate friends from kindergarten on. They've just changed buildings more than once. What do you think was so traumatic? A new cafeteria and principal to get used to?

I should probably just let this discussion die but I do wonder why folks necessarily think the kids that left Haycock for LR went with their friends. It's entirely possible that their friends were kids that stayed at Haycock. So it was more than just a holding change. But it's over now and probably not worth the time we're spending discussing it.

I'm guessing your kid was at Shrevewood since you are so vocal. At 3rd grade your child along with 10 plus students from Shrevewood went over to Haycock for AAP. Just having 10 plus kids from their base school go over to AAP is better than most students have when switching schools. There they kept their current friends and made several new friends, some of which came from Lemon Road and Westgate. Then 1-2 years later they got switched to Lemon Road. The only friends they didn't get to stay at school with are the ones slated for Mclean high school and of course they could see them for playdates after school or on the weekend. They still get to be at school with their Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Westgate base school friends. Worst case, he or she got a new best friend in grades 3 and 4 and had to leave their new best friend in 5th which they would have done anyway by 7th. Kids leave all the time for moves. Your child has always had a base of friends he or she knows and has never had to start school knowing less than 10 people. Stop making a mountain our of a molehill.

This argument doesn't make a lot of sense. If you have young kids, you know there is a difference between friends and just other kids. Maybe pp is saying that her dd's main group of friends was at Haycock, and none of those went to Lemon Road, so pp's child went their basically by herself. I see my kids with other kids from school, and mostly it is just meh, here's a kid whatever, but a few kids are like their biggest bestest buddies. Those kids are what pp is probably referring to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you think it was in my child's best interest. If it was such a good thing, I wonder why you didn't consider a pupil placement to Lemon Road for your child. After all, there would be kids from Haycock there and there was no benefit to your child being at Haycock as opposed to Lemon Road, Shrevewood or Westgate.

It's over and done and I have accepted it. The only thing that really bothers me at this point is when folks like you can't acknowledge that it isn't as cut and dried as you are pretending here.

Boundaries change. I get it. Keep that in mind when you are on the receiving end of a boundary change. I expect you will not complain or try to prevent it.

I would love to pupil place my child at Lemon Road. Lemon Road did not have an AAP center before your child was moved there, so there would have been no reason for anyone to have pupil placed an AAP child to the school. I really don't know what you're still so upset about and why you feel your child had such a disservice. Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. They will continue on with those same children into high school. I would think differently if your child got moved into an entire new high school pyramid or something, but they've probably been with their same Shrevewood or Westgate friends from kindergarten on. They've just changed buildings more than once. What do you think was so traumatic? A new cafeteria and principal to get used to?

I should probably just let this discussion die but I do wonder why folks necessarily think the kids that left Haycock for LR went with their friends. It's entirely possible that their friends were kids that stayed at Haycock. So it was more than just a holding change. But it's over now and probably not worth the time we're spending discussing it.

I wonder why the parents would have sent their kids from their base schools to Haycock in the first place unless they were OK with the idea that they'd need to make new friends from time to time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you think it was in my child's best interest. If it was such a good thing, I wonder why you didn't consider a pupil placement to Lemon Road for your child. After all, there would be kids from Haycock there and there was no benefit to your child being at Haycock as opposed to Lemon Road, Shrevewood or Westgate.

It's over and done and I have accepted it. The only thing that really bothers me at this point is when folks like you can't acknowledge that it isn't as cut and dried as you are pretending here.

Boundaries change. I get it. Keep that in mind when you are on the receiving end of a boundary change. I expect you will not complain or try to prevent it.

I would love to pupil place my child at Lemon Road. Lemon Road did not have an AAP center before your child was moved there, so there would have been no reason for anyone to have pupil placed an AAP child to the school. I really don't know what you're still so upset about and why you feel your child had such a disservice. Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. They will continue on with those same children into high school. I would think differently if your child got moved into an entire new high school pyramid or something, but they've probably been with their same Shrevewood or Westgate friends from kindergarten on. They've just changed buildings more than once. What do you think was so traumatic? A new cafeteria and principal to get used to?

I should probably just let this discussion die but I do wonder why folks necessarily think the kids that left Haycock for LR went with their friends. It's entirely possible that their friends were kids that stayed at Haycock. So it was more than just a holding change. But it's over now and probably not worth the time we're spending discussing it.

I'm guessing your kid was at Shrevewood since you are so vocal. At 3rd grade your child along with 10 plus students from Shrevewood went over to Haycock for AAP. Just having 10 plus kids from their base school go over to AAP is better than most students have when switching schools. There they kept their current friends and made several new friends, some of which came from Lemon Road and Westgate. Then 1-2 years later they got switched to Lemon Road. The only friends they didn't get to stay at school with are the ones slated for Mclean high school and of course they could see them for playdates after school or on the weekend. They still get to be at school with their Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Westgate base school friends. Worst case, he or she got a new best friend in grades 3 and 4 and had to leave their new best friend in 5th which they would have done anyway by 7th. Kids leave all the time for moves. Your child has always had a base of friends he or she knows and has never had to start school knowing less than 10 people. Stop making a mountain our of a molehill.

This argument doesn't make a lot of sense. If you have young kids, you know there is a difference between friends and just other kids. Maybe pp is saying that her dd's main group of friends was at Haycock, and none of those went to Lemon Road, so pp's child went their basically by herself. I see my kids with other kids from school, and mostly it is just meh, here's a kid whatever, but a few kids are like their biggest bestest buddies. Those kids are what pp is probably referring to.

? The only friends this child left were the ones she made from 3rd grade on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you think it was in my child's best interest. If it was such a good thing, I wonder why you didn't consider a pupil placement to Lemon Road for your child. After all, there would be kids from Haycock there and there was no benefit to your child being at Haycock as opposed to Lemon Road, Shrevewood or Westgate.

It's over and done and I have accepted it. The only thing that really bothers me at this point is when folks like you can't acknowledge that it isn't as cut and dried as you are pretending here.

Boundaries change. I get it. Keep that in mind when you are on the receiving end of a boundary change. I expect you will not complain or try to prevent it.

I would love to pupil place my child at Lemon Road. Lemon Road did not have an AAP center before your child was moved there, so there would have been no reason for anyone to have pupil placed an AAP child to the school. I really don't know what you're still so upset about and why you feel your child had such a disservice. Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. They will continue on with those same children into high school. I would think differently if your child got moved into an entire new high school pyramid or something, but they've probably been with their same Shrevewood or Westgate friends from kindergarten on. They've just changed buildings more than once. What do you think was so traumatic? A new cafeteria and principal to get used to?

I should probably just let this discussion die but I do wonder why folks necessarily think the kids that left Haycock for LR went with their friends. It's entirely possible that their friends were kids that stayed at Haycock. So it was more than just a holding change. But it's over now and probably not worth the time we're spending discussing it.

I'm guessing your kid was at Shrevewood since you are so vocal. At 3rd grade your child along with 10 plus students from Shrevewood went over to Haycock for AAP. Just having 10 plus kids from their base school go over to AAP is better than most students have when switching schools. There they kept their current friends and made several new friends, some of which came from Lemon Road and Westgate. Then 1-2 years later they got switched to Lemon Road. The only friends they didn't get to stay at school with are the ones slated for Mclean high school and of course they could see them for playdates after school or on the weekend. They still get to be at school with their Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Westgate base school friends. Worst case, he or she got a new best friend in grades 3 and 4 and had to leave their new best friend in 5th which they would have done anyway by 7th. Kids leave all the time for moves. Your child has always had a base of friends he or she knows and has never had to start school knowing less than 10 people. Stop making a mountain our of a molehill.

Huh? What a bizarre assumption. My recollection is that there were vocal parents from all of the schools (even Lemon Road).

[Anonymous]

"Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. "

Different poster. I feel I need to state a few facts here. Both lemon road and wesrgate are split feeder schools. So some of these kids go to longfellow not kilmer. About 90 kids were affected and transferred. Haycock's population is still over capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you think it was in my child's best interest. If it was such a good thing, I wonder why you didn't consider a pupil placement to Lemon Road for your child. After all, there would be kids from Haycock there and there was no benefit to your child being at Haycock as opposed to Lemon Road, Shrevewood or Westgate.

It's over and done and I have accepted it. The only thing that really bothers me at this point is when folks like you can't acknowledge that it isn't as cut and dried as you are pretending here.

Boundaries change. I get it. Keep that in mind when you are on the receiving end of a boundary change. I expect you will not complain or try to prevent it.

I would love to pupil place my child at Lemon Road. Lemon Road did not have an AAP center before your child was moved there, so there would have been no reason for anyone to have pupil placed an AAP child to the school. I really don't know what you're still so upset about and why you feel your child had such a disservice. Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. They will continue on with those same children into high school. I would think differently if your child got moved into an entire new high school pyramid or something, but they've probably been with their same Shrevewood or Westgate friends from kindergarten on. They've just changed buildings more than once. What do you think was so traumatic? A new cafeteria and principal to get used to?

I should probably just let this discussion die but I do wonder why folks necessarily think the kids that left Haycock for LR went with their friends. It's entirely possible that their friends were kids that stayed at Haycock. So it was more than just a holding change. But it's over now and probably not worth the time we're spending discussing it.

I'm guessing your kid was at Shrevewood since you are so vocal. At 3rd grade your child along with 10 plus students from Shrevewood went over to Haycock for AAP. Just having 10 plus kids from their base school go over to AAP is better than most students have when switching schools. There they kept their current friends and made several new friends, some of which came from Lemon Road and Westgate. Then 1-2 years later they got switched to Lemon Road. The only friends they didn't get to stay at school with are the ones slated for Mclean high school and of course they could see them for playdates after school or on the weekend. They still get to be at school with their Shrevewood, Lemon Road, and Westgate base school friends. Worst case, he or she got a new best friend in grades 3 and 4 and had to leave their new best friend in 5th which they would have done anyway by 7th. Kids leave all the time for moves. Your child has always had a base of friends he or she knows and has never had to start school knowing less than 10 people. Stop making a mountain our of a molehill.

Huh? What a bizarre assumption. My recollection is that there were vocal parents from all of the schools (even Lemon Road).

The PP complaining had this to say "What's past is past, but please don't pretend you were doing our kids a favor. It was never about our kids." and "let's not pretend it was done in my child's best interest. My child's best interest would have been to stay and finish there. I get it that they balanced the interests of all of the snowflakes and our snowflakes lost. I can live with it. Really. But let's be honest about it."

A Lemon Road parent and child could never make the argument that it was in the child's best interest to stay at Haycock in an AAP center verses going back to their base school in a new AAP center. That would be a ridiculous argument. So obviously not a Lemon Road parent. There just are more vocal Shrevewood parents on dcum, but PP could be a Westgate parent, sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. "

Different poster. I feel I need to state a few facts here. Both lemon road and wesrgate are split feeder schools. So some of these kids go to longfellow not kilmer. About 90 kids were affected and transferred. Haycock's population is still over capacity.

I was assuming the poster was a Shrevewood parent in which case the split feeders at those two schools make no difference. Haycock was a split feeder as well. A Westgate parent I guess could be annoyed that there were less Longfellow bound children at Lemon Road than Haycock, but since they are all split feeders it seems like it would be splitting hairs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. "

Different poster. I feel I need to state a few facts here. Both lemon road and wesrgate are split feeder schools. So some of these kids go to longfellow not kilmer. About 90 kids were affected and transferred. Haycock's population is still over capacity.

I was assuming the poster was a Shrevewood parent in which case the split feeders at those two schools make no difference. Haycock was a split feeder as well. A Westgate parent I guess could be annoyed that there were less Longfellow bound children at Lemon Road than Haycock, but since they are all split feeders it seems like it would be splitting hairs.

I'm confused by this. I thought the folks wanting to stay at Haycock were arguing that they didn't want to have their kids leave their Haycock friends behind. I don't understand what that has to do with split feeders and why it would impact a Shrevewood parent any more than a parent from Westgate and Lemon Road. Perhaps I misunderstood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. "

Different poster. I feel I need to state a few facts here. Both lemon road and wesrgate are split feeder schools. So some of these kids go to longfellow not kilmer. About 90 kids were affected and transferred. Haycock's population is still over capacity.

I was assuming the poster was a Shrevewood parent in which case the split feeders at those two schools make no difference. Haycock was a split feeder as well. A Westgate parent I guess could be annoyed that there were less Longfellow bound children at Lemon Road than Haycock, but since they are all split feeders it seems like it would be splitting hairs.

I'm confused by this. I thought the folks wanting to stay at Haycock were arguing that they didn't want to have their kids leave their Haycock friends behind. I don't understand what that has to do with split feeders and why it would impact a Shrevewood parent any more than a parent from Westgate and Lemon Road. Perhaps I misunderstood.

They were. It has nothing to do with split feeders and it doesn't impact a Shrevewood parent any more than a Westgate or Lemon Road parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Your child (presumably at Shrevewood or Westgate and not Lemon Road) went to Haycock for AAP for 1-2 years and then was forced to transfer with about a third of the kids from Haycock to Lemon Road for another year or so. Then they will or already went on to Kilmer with those same children who went to school with them at both Haycock, Lemon Road, and their base school. "

Different poster. I feel I need to state a few facts here. Both lemon road and wesrgate are split feeder schools. So some of these kids go to longfellow not kilmer. About 90 kids were affected and transferred. Haycock's population is still over capacity.

I was assuming the poster was a Shrevewood parent in which case the split feeders at those two schools make no difference. Haycock was a split feeder as well. A Westgate parent I guess could be annoyed that there were less Longfellow bound children at Lemon Road than Haycock, but since they are all split feeders it seems like it would be splitting hairs.

I'm confused by this. I thought the folks wanting to stay at Haycock were arguing that they didn't want to have their kids leave their Haycock friends behind. I don't understand what that has to do with split feeders and why it would impact a Shrevewood parent any more than a parent from Westgate and Lemon Road. Perhaps I misunderstood.

They were. It has nothing to do with split feeders and it doesn't impact a Shrevewood parent any more than a Westgate or Lemon Road parent.

To clarify, Shrevewood is not a split feeder school but Lemon Road and Haycock are or were split feeder schools, so there's no real argument to stay at one verses another because of a split feeder situation.

[Anonymous]

Enough! It is done.

[Anonymous]

If I remember correctly, at the time, a vast majority of the kids in the Haycock AAP center were from Haycock. The total number of kids in the center from elsewhere was somewhere around 140, and when you considered those grandfathered and those from Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, and Timberlane, they moved a total of about 40 kids. It was hardly worth the drama and upheaval they caused the families and kids.

Most of the tension came from the fact that the Haycock base families, principal, and even teachers were campaigning to uproot these kids and send them elsewhere...and that is why there are still raw feelings years later.