Wiki version of what happened at Lemon Road

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I remember correctly, at the time, a vast majority of the kids in the Haycock AAP center were from Haycock. The total number of kids in the center from elsewhere was somewhere around 140, and when you considered those grandfathered and those from Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, and Timberlane, they moved a total of about 40 kids. It was hardly worth the drama and upheaval they caused the families and kids.

Most of the tension came from the fact that the Haycock base families, principal, and even teachers were campaigning to uproot these kids and send them elsewhere...and that is why there are still raw feelings years later.

Nicely summarized.

Lemon Road - Haycock #s:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T4V75646E/$file/F_AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20LemonRd_Haycock.pdf


Link to the BoardDocs agenda item with all attachments:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=943RXE701BA8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't there a new school in the works to help out McNair?

. There is talk of a western Fairfax ES, but who knows when that will happen. Coates, a stones throw from McNair is phasing in LLIV starting next Fall. It is yet to be seen of that helps at all. Unfortunately, Coates is also over capacity with 8 trailers, but not to the degree of McNair. Of course, Floris, also nearby, is under capacity, but I strongly suspect that there will be pushback. You have a school like Coates, with nary a single family home in its boundary, while I believe that Floris has no apartments or condos in its boundary,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't there a new school in the works to help out McNair?

. There is talk of a western Fairfax ES, but who knows when that will happen. Coates, a stones throw from McNair is phasing in LLIV starting next Fall. It is yet to be seen of that helps at all. Unfortunately, Coates is also over capacity with 8 trailers, but not to the degree of McNair. Of course, Floris, also nearby, is under capacity, but I strongly suspect that there will be pushback. You have a school like Coates, with nary a single family home in its boundary, while I believe that Floris has no apartments or condos in its boundary,

Do the Floris AAP kids go to McNair?

Poplar Tree was about 100 under capacity, hence why they finally got off their asses and did something about GBW overcrowding. Of course, Powell is also under capacity right now, but apparently that wasn't allowed to be discussed and they will continue bussing kids from Powell (which has a LLIIV program) PAST the new Poplar Tree center to GBW. Stupidity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I remember correctly, at the time, a vast majority of the kids in the Haycock AAP center were from Haycock. The total number of kids in the center from elsewhere was somewhere around 140, and when you considered those grandfathered and those from Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, and Timberlane, they moved a total of about 40 kids. It was hardly worth the drama and upheaval they caused the families and kids.

Most of the tension came from the fact that the Haycock base families, principal, and even teachers were campaigning to uproot these kids and send them elsewhere...and that is why there are still raw feelings years later.

Nicely summarized.

Lemon Road - Haycock #s:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T4V75646E/$file/F_AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20LemonRd_Haycock.pdf


Link to the BoardDocs agenda item with all attachments:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=943RXE701BA8

How can it be that only 40 students moved when Lemon Road went to having no AAP center in 2012-13 to 123 students receiving LLIV services there in 2013-14. Wouldn't most, if not all, of those kids have been at Haycock without the redistricting? Haycock's enrollment only went down by about 50 students in 2013-14, but the school's enrollment has been growing for years. It probably would have had over 1000 students in 2013-14, in a building that was originally designed for fewer than 800 students and about to get renovated, had FCPS not moved to the students to LR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I remember correctly, at the time, a vast majority of the kids in the Haycock AAP center were from Haycock. The total number of kids in the center from elsewhere was somewhere around 140, and when you considered those grandfathered and those from Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, and Timberlane, they moved a total of about 40 kids. It was hardly worth the drama and upheaval they caused the families and kids.

Most of the tension came from the fact that the Haycock base families, principal, and even teachers were campaigning to uproot these kids and send them elsewhere...and that is why there are still raw feelings years later.

Nicely summarized.

Lemon Road - Haycock #s:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T4V75646E/$file/F_AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20LemonRd_Haycock.pdf


Link to the BoardDocs agenda item with all attachments:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=943RXE701BA8

How can it be that only 40 students moved when Lemon Road went to having no AAP center in 2012-13 to 123 students receiving LLIV services there in 2013-14. Wouldn't most, if not all, of those kids have been at Haycock without the redistricting? Haycock's enrollment only went down by about 50 students in 2013-14, but the school's enrollment has been growing for years. It probably would have had over 1000 students in 2013-14, in a building that was originally designed for fewer than 800 students and about to get renovated, had FCPS not moved to the students to LR.

You have to remember that number includes at least two classes of third graders who were newly eligible in 2013-2014, and students who were already eligible and attending lemon road that had chosen to stay at lemon road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't there a new school in the works to help out McNair?

. There is talk of a western Fairfax ES, but who knows when that will happen. Coates, a stones throw from McNair is phasing in LLIV starting next Fall. It is yet to be seen of that helps at all. Unfortunately, Coates is also over capacity with 8 trailers, but not to the degree of McNair. Of course, Floris, also nearby, is under capacity, but I strongly suspect that there will be pushback. You have a school like Coates, with nary a single family home in its boundary, while I believe that Floris has no apartments or condos in its boundary,

Do the Floris AAP kids go to McNair?

Poplar Tree was about 100 under capacity, hence why they finally got off their asses and did something about GBW overcrowding. Of course, Powell is also under capacity right now, but apparently that wasn't allowed to be discussed and they will continue bussing kids from Powell (which has a LLIIV program) PAST the new Poplar Tree center to GBW. Stupidity.

I believe McNair is the center for Floris but I also believe most stay at Floris for LLIV. The issues at Coates and McNair are boundary issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I remember correctly, at the time, a vast majority of the kids in the Haycock AAP center were from Haycock. The total number of kids in the center from elsewhere was somewhere around 140, and when you considered those grandfathered and those from Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, and Timberlane, they moved a total of about 40 kids. It was hardly worth the drama and upheaval they caused the families and kids.

Most of the tension came from the fact that the Haycock base families, principal, and even teachers were campaigning to uproot these kids and send them elsewhere...and that is why there are still raw feelings years later.

Nicely summarized.

Lemon Road - Haycock #s:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T4V75646E/$file/F_AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20LemonRd_Haycock.pdf


Link to the BoardDocs agenda item with all attachments:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=943RXE701BA8

How can it be that only 40 students moved when Lemon Road went to having no AAP center in 2012-13 to 123 students receiving LLIV services there in 2013-14. Wouldn't most, if not all, of those kids have been at Haycock without the redistricting? Haycock's enrollment only went down by about 50 students in 2013-14, but the school's enrollment has been growing for years. It probably would have had over 1000 students in 2013-14, in a building that was originally designed for fewer than 800 students and about to get renovated, had FCPS not moved to the students to LR.

There were about 50 kids per grade level. About 200 kids switched over including 3rd grade. That would have been about 8 classrooms. It wasn't a small number.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I remember correctly, at the time, a vast majority of the kids in the Haycock AAP center were from Haycock. The total number of kids in the center from elsewhere was somewhere around 140, and when you considered those grandfathered and those from Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, and Timberlane, they moved a total of about 40 kids. It was hardly worth the drama and upheaval they caused the families and kids.

Most of the tension came from the fact that the Haycock base families, principal, and even teachers were campaigning to uproot these kids and send them elsewhere...and that is why there are still raw feelings years later.

Nicely summarized.

Lemon Road - Haycock #s:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T4V75646E/$file/F_AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20LemonRd_Haycock.pdf


Link to the BoardDocs agenda item with all attachments:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=943RXE701BA8

How can it be that only 40 students moved when Lemon Road went to having no AAP center in 2012-13 to 123 students receiving LLIV services there in 2013-14. Wouldn't most, if not all, of those kids have been at Haycock without the redistricting? Haycock's enrollment only went down by about 50 students in 2013-14, but the school's enrollment has been growing for years. It probably would have had over 1000 students in 2013-14, in a building that was originally designed for fewer than 800 students and about to get renovated, had FCPS not moved to the students to LR.

There were about 50 kids per grade level. About 200 kids switched over including 3rd grade. That would have been about 8 classrooms. It wasn't a small number.

I don't know where you get 200. First of all, the rising 3rd graders were never on the table. The 6th graders were grandfathered, so that leaves rising 4th and 5th, which was about 90 kids. Several were later exempted because they had been moved from Louise Archer the year before and a few moved into the Haycock district. It was less than 90 kids. You could figure out how many based on the numbers of the AAP 4th and 5th grades last year. I don't have time to do that, nor do I actually care enough to do so. As has been said, it's done. It's over. I'm only chiming in for accuracy's sake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I remember correctly, at the time, a vast majority of the kids in the Haycock AAP center were from Haycock. The total number of kids in the center from elsewhere was somewhere around 140, and when you considered those grandfathered and those from Chesterbrook, Franklin Sherman, and Timberlane, they moved a total of about 40 kids. It was hardly worth the drama and upheaval they caused the families and kids.

Most of the tension came from the fact that the Haycock base families, principal, and even teachers were campaigning to uproot these kids and send them elsewhere...and that is why there are still raw feelings years later.

Nicely summarized.

Lemon Road - Haycock #s:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/943T4V75646E/$file/F_AAP%20Level%20IV%20Center%20Proposal%20LemonRd_Haycock.pdf


Link to the BoardDocs agenda item with all attachments:
http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=943RXE701BA8

How can it be that only 40 students moved when Lemon Road went to having no AAP center in 2012-13 to 123 students receiving LLIV services there in 2013-14. Wouldn't most, if not all, of those kids have been at Haycock without the redistricting? Haycock's enrollment only went down by about 50 students in 2013-14, but the school's enrollment has been growing for years. It probably would have had over 1000 students in 2013-14, in a building that was originally designed for fewer than 800 students and about to get renovated, had FCPS not moved to the students to LR.

There were about 50 kids per grade level. About 200 kids switched over including 3rd grade. That would have been about 8 classrooms. It wasn't a small number.

I don't know where you get 200. First of all, the rising 3rd graders were never on the table. The 6th graders were grandfathered, so that leaves rising 4th and 5th, which was about 90 kids. Several were later exempted because they had been moved from Louise Archer the year before and a few moved into the Haycock district. It was less than 90 kids. You could figure out how many based on the numbers of the AAP 4th and 5th grades last year. I don't have time to do that, nor do I actually care enough to do so. As has been said, it's done. It's over. I'm only chiming in for accuracy's sake.

DP here. About 90 was what I recall hearing repeatedly at the time. Definitely more than 40 and fewer than 200, if the number in question is the students who had actually been at Haycock and then moved to Lemon Road the next year.

[Anonymous]

PP here, I mean the rising 3rd graders were not on the table to stay at Haycock in case that was not clear.

[Anonymous]

I was not particularly "wowed" by Lemon Road during a recent visit. I'm sure it's a great school (as the ratings seem to indicate) but DC wil stay at base school for LLIV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was not particularly "wowed" by Lemon Road during a recent visit. I'm sure it's a great school (as the ratings seem to indicate) but DC wil stay at base school for LLIV.

Good, less traffic on the road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was not particularly "wowed" by Lemon Road during a recent visit. I'm sure it's a great school (as the ratings seem to indicate) but DC wil stay at base school for LLIV.

Good, less traffic on the road.

Why? There will still be an AAP bus going from Shrevewood or Westgate to Lemon Road. It will just have one less student on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was not particularly "wowed" by Lemon Road during a recent visit. I'm sure it's a great school (as the ratings seem to indicate) but DC wil stay at base school for LLIV.

Good, less traffic on the road.

Why? There will still be an AAP bus going from Shrevewood or Westgate to Lemon Road. It will just have one less student on it.

Parents whose kids go to a school other than there base school are more likely to drive even if there is a bus service, as Westbriar has learned to it and the immediate neighborhood's detriment this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was not particularly "wowed" by Lemon Road during a recent visit. I'm sure it's a great school (as the ratings seem to indicate) but DC wil stay at base school for LLIV.

Good, less traffic on the road.

You mean one less child on bus. It's interesting that most LLIV kiddos are opting today at base.