Disney Laid off 250 employees and replacing them with Indian H1-B Visa workers

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:IT person here. It goes like this: in IT there are the jobs that require a lot of creativity and a very high skillset, like designing new software.

Then there's the drudgery, like modifying the system that generates monthly bills to put in some new promotion dreamed up by the marketing department. Or the person who checks that the data backups ran OK yesterday. Or the guy who works the graveyard shift because someone needs to be there in case a server goes down.

American IT grads generally get the better jobs, not the drudgery. Not only do they understand business needs better (to design good software to match it), but US universities are generally better than foreign universities at teaching the really high-end stuff. Meanwhile, someone needs to do the IT drudgery jobs -- enter H-1Bs.

The thing to realize here is there is a major shortage of IT talent at both levels. Heard of people graduating university here with a computer science degree and being unemployed? It's virtually unheard of. All my friends at IT firms have enormous trouble hiring good people. All the software developers I know in this area all earn six-figure salaries, typically in the $150-200k range.

Are IT jobs going away, so that the shortage won't be an issue? Nope. If anything, it's going to get worse because our world relies more and more on computers, and I don't see that changing in our lifetimes.

At my company, we use US-based people for software design and programming (and pay a pretty penny for them), then non-US people for the drudgework, like restoring data from a backup and so on.


This is how it works. there is maybe 1% development jobs that need top notch talent. Even at microsoft, only a small subset of development jobs require top talent. Most development jobs do not need specialized talent and the companies want workers that are cheap and work 80 hours a week. H1B fulfills this.

There is no shortage of it workers. If there were salaries would be decreasing. Java developers were 90 to 120 per hour in 1999/2000/2001, now they are 50 to 70$ for same skill level. How does the price go down if there is a real shortage? It would go up.

In contrast, Salzman concluded in a paper released last year by the liberal Economic Policy Institute, real IT wages are about the same as they were in 1999. Further, he and his co-authors found, only half of STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) college graduates each year get hired into STEM jobs. “We don’t dispute the fact at all that Facebook (FB) and Microsoft (MSFT) would like to have more, cheaper workers,” says Salzman’s co-author Daniel Kuehn, now a research associate at the Urban Institute. “But that doesn’t constitute a shortage.”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Instead of the popular myth of migrant workers coming to take jobs from US citizens the fact is corporations are recruiting migrants to come take jobs from Americans. Perhaps it's time to stop blaming migrants/ immigrants and start pointing the finger at American corporations.




I thought corporations in America had so little power, though!



no... no ... no ... you got that confused with z\US corporations PAY so little in TAXES!!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Instead of the popular myth of migrant workers coming to take jobs from US citizens the fact is corporations are recruiting migrants to come take jobs from Americans. Perhaps it's time to stop blaming migrants/ immigrants and start pointing the finger at American corporations.




I thought corporations in America had so little power, though!



no... no ... no ... you got that confused with z\US corporations PAY so little in TAXES!!!

It's not just corporations. It's you and your spouse hiring cheap (very often illegal) broken-English nannies and cleaning ladies. Admit it.
Anonymous
Lots of people here that don't know the differences between outsourcing and offshoreing. Big differences.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I actually think America's downfall was largely because of outsourcing jobs and also letting in too many unskilled immigrants. That's not trolling -- that's the truth.


Yep, because software engineers from India are unskilled immigrants. Your intelligence leaves me in awe.


Did you read the word "also?"
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, people voted Congress in so we get the government we deserve. Corporations care more about money than US citizens. What do you expect?

Corporations legal responsibility is to their shareholders, to increase profits. Its a bummer when our free-economy benefits other countries.

And it's OUR responsibility to BOYCOT.
Just CANCELLED our Disney trip.


Your Disney trip was just rebooked by an H-1B visa holder.
Anonymous
I thought Americans hated the illegals, but now you hate the legals too!

I knew it. You are just too pc to admit it
Anonymous
I will definitely be feeling negative towards Disney licensed products going forward and I will be steering my kids away from them. For the best anyway. They can have a fairy costume instead of an Elsa costume and be just as happy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I thought Americans hated the illegals, but now you hate the legals too!

I knew it. You are just too pc to admit it


This is the point where liberal democrats get major butthurt They are all about community and helping others, as long as those others are not replacing them at work.

Globalization hurts. Expect more of this.
Anonymous
Companies need H1-B visa workers because they pay gazillions of dollars to their CEOs.

Stop the insane salaries of these Republicans and then you will not have the need to get H1-B workers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I actually think America's downfall was largely because of outsourcing jobs and also letting in too many unskilled immigrants. That's not trolling -- that's the truth.


America's downfall?

I missed have missed something.


The last sixteen years?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought Americans hated the illegals, but now you hate the legals too!

I knew it. You are just too pc to admit it


This is the point where liberal democrats get major butthurt They are all about community and helping others, as long as those others are not replacing them at work.

Globalization hurts. Expect more of this.


Yup. All for immigration so long as immigrants aren't competing for their jobs,
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It has been my experience as a software engineer that most projects outsourced to foreign companies have had disastrous results. The contractors don't seem to have the skills to perform the job and they don't have the personal and professional dedication to see the project succeed. IT is the worst because someone who works for another company could not care less that the network is down for days at a time. It's not their bottom line that is at risk.


The best and most qualified IT professionals I have encountered have all -100%- been Indian.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Companies need H1-B visa workers because they pay gazillions of dollars to their CEOs.

Stop the insane salaries of these Republicans and then you will not have the need to get H1-B workers.

Who is the CEO of Disney?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It has been my experience as a software engineer that most projects outsourced to foreign companies have had disastrous results. The contractors don't seem to have the skills to perform the job and they don't have the personal and professional dedication to see the project succeed. IT is the worst because someone who works for another company could not care less that the network is down for days at a time. It's not their bottom line that is at risk.


The best and most qualified IT professionals I have encountered have all -100%- been Indian.

I shudder to think what level of qualification you consider "worst".
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