IEP and rising AAP student

[Anonymous]

OP here. I don't believe my son's issues with social skills affected his gbrs score. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

Fortunately, that's not the law. If an educational option (AAP) is offered in the school district, it must be offered to a student with a disability. It is public school. If you don't like it, shell out for private school.

The people that are unhappy are the ones with kids with behavioral/mental health issues - they are upset that they don't get twice the services. It doesn't bother the rest of us except to possibly waste class time. I feel quite lucky that DC has access to a more challenging curriculum, but I don't think it's the public school system's responsibility to provide it. If they do provide it - great, if they don't - it's just a shame.

I think what you say above actually applies to the unhappy parents to whom I am referring - if the public school system does not provide your child with all the services you need, think about paying and going private.
AAP is being offered to all students that qualify. You can't be up in arms that your child is not getting ALL the services you want at the same time. As I mentioned before, most of the kids in this country get no special services what so ever. Consider yourself lucky that you are being offered whatever services your child gets.

Lucky for the OP, the law says differently. AAP is being offered to the OP's child because he qualifies based on his ability. The OP's child has an IEP because the child qualifies based on his needs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The service's the OP is requesting should be available to her DC based on the current rules and regulations. There is already too much discrimination against children with disabilities.

To the PP, consider yourself lucky that you do not have a child with special needs.

Actually, my child does have ADHD but manages to pull it together in AAP without an IEP, a 504 or any special accommodations. If DC needed any of the above, I would be grateful if the school gave them in addition to AAP services, but would never EXPECT it or whine if DC did not receive it. As I mentioned, I am grateful to have access to AAP itself. This is PUBLIC education. People in this area are just too privileged - we think we have every right to keep expecting more.

. Well aren't you lucky that your child's issues are not severe enough to require a 504 or IEP. Parents whose children who are on the autism spectrum or who have more significant ADHD are only looking for what is guaranteed to them by federal law. There is a difference between privilege and law. I sincerely hope that your child is not expressing your beliefs to his/her classmates. I'd be disgusted if my child came home speaking that way.

You missed my point and I'm really not sure what you are disgusted about. All I ever tried to imply is that if a child has special needs - that should be the priority. Getting AAP services at the same time is great but can't always be expected in public education. Think of all the kids who don't get any extra services (the majority in this country). Many in this area are probably AAP capable but don't have parents who know how to get them there like the rest of us do.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

Fortunately, that's not the law. If an educational option (AAP) is offered in the school district, it must be offered to a student with a disability. It is public school. If you don't like it, shell out for private school.

The people that are unhappy are the ones with kids with behavioral/mental health issues - they are upset that they don't get twice the services. It doesn't bother the rest of us except to possibly waste class time. I feel quite lucky that DC has access to a more challenging curriculum, but I don't think it's the public school system's responsibility to provide it. If they do provide it - great, if they don't - it's just a shame.

I think what you say above actually applies to the unhappy parents to whom I am referring - if the public school system does not provide your child with all the services you need, think about paying and going private.
AAP is being offered to all students that qualify. You can't be up in arms that your child is not getting ALL the services you want at the same time. As I mentioned before, most of the kids in this country get no special services what so ever. Consider yourself lucky that you are being offered whatever services your child gets.

Lucky for the OP, the law says differently. AAP is being offered to the OP's child because he qualifies based on his ability. The OP's child has an IEP because the child qualifies based on his needs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The service's the OP is requesting should be available to her DC based on the current rules and regulations. There is already too much discrimination against children with disabilities.

To the PP, consider yourself lucky that you do not have a child with special needs.

Actually, my child does have ADHD but manages to pull it together in AAP without an IEP, a 504 or any special accommodations. If DC needed any of the above, I would be grateful if the school gave them in addition to AAP services, but would never EXPECT it or whine if DC did not receive it. As I mentioned, I am grateful to have access to AAP itself. This is PUBLIC education. People in this area are just too privileged - we think we have every right to keep expecting more.

. Well aren't you lucky that your child's issues are not severe enough to require a 504 or IEP. Parents whose children who are on the autism spectrum or who have more significant ADHD are only looking for what is guaranteed to them by federal law. There is a difference between privilege and law. I sincerely hope that your child is not expressing your beliefs to his/her classmates. I'd be disgusted if my child came home speaking that way.

You missed my point and I'm really not sure what you are disgusted about. All I ever tried to imply is that if a child has special needs - that should be the priority. Getting AAP services at the same time is great but can't always be expected in public education. Think of all the kids who don't get any extra services (the majority in this country). Many in this area are probably AAP capable but don't have parents who know how to get them there like the rest of us do.

What you are suggesting is illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

Fortunately, that's not the law. If an educational option (AAP) is offered in the school district, it must be offered to a student with a disability. It is public school. If you don't like it, shell out for private school.

The people that are unhappy are the ones with kids with behavioral/mental health issues - they are upset that they don't get twice the services. It doesn't bother the rest of us except to possibly waste class time. I feel quite lucky that DC has access to a more challenging curriculum, but I don't think it's the public school system's responsibility to provide it. If they do provide it - great, if they don't - it's just a shame.

I think what you say above actually applies to the unhappy parents to whom I am referring - if the public school system does not provide your child with all the services you need, think about paying and going private.
AAP is being offered to all students that qualify. You can't be up in arms that your child is not getting ALL the services you want at the same time. As I mentioned before, most of the kids in this country get no special services what so ever. Consider yourself lucky that you are being offered whatever services your child gets.

Lucky for the OP, the law says differently. AAP is being offered to the OP's child because he qualifies based on his ability. The OP's child has an IEP because the child qualifies based on his needs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The service's the OP is requesting should be available to her DC based on the current rules and regulations. There is already too much discrimination against children with disabilities.

To the PP, consider yourself lucky that you do not have a child with special needs.

Actually, my child does have ADHD but manages to pull it together in AAP without an IEP, a 504 or any special accommodations. If DC needed any of the above, I would be grateful if the school gave them in addition to AAP services, but would never EXPECT it or whine if DC did not receive it. As I mentioned, I am grateful to have access to AAP itself. This is PUBLIC education. People in this area are just too privileged - we think we have every right to keep expecting more.

. Well aren't you lucky that your child's issues are not severe enough to require a 504 or IEP. Parents whose children who are on the autism spectrum or who have more significant ADHD are only looking for what is guaranteed to them by federal law. There is a difference between privilege and law. I sincerely hope that your child is not expressing your beliefs to his/her classmates. I'd be disgusted if my child came home speaking that way.

You missed my point and I'm really not sure what you are disgusted about. All I ever tried to imply is that if a child has special needs - that should be the priority. Getting AAP services at the same time is great but can't always be expected in public education. Think of all the kids who don't get any extra services (the majority in this country). Many in this area are probably AAP capable but don't have parents who know how to get them there like the rest of us do.

What you are suggesting is illegal.

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Both are mandated in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Services are mandated. Not centers.

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Anonymous wrote:Services are mandated. Not centers.

True, but that is a separate issue. If Centers are the way that the county decides to run the mandated gifted services, then a child with special needs cannot be denied going to a Center if that is the LRE.

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Anonymous wrote:Services are mandated. Not centers.

Gifted education is mandated.

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"The United States currently has NO federal law mandating the education of gifted children. Weather and how these students receive services in their local schools is dependent on state law and local policies and practices. More than 30 states mandate identification and/or services for gifted students, although there is a wide variability on policies regarding student identification, provision of gifted program services, teacher training, and other areas crucial to ensuring high quality gifted education." In a HUGE majority of states in the U.S. EVERY student in the "gifted and talented" program receives an IEP because these programs usually fall under Special Education Services. In these states and school districts the student HAS to with NO exception have a minimum qualifying IQ score, typically 130. All the current and future AAP students in Fairfax County who do not have the minimum IQ score would not qualify for these programs. From reading these boards there certainly seems to be a lot of students who would not qualify for placement in the standard "gifted and talented" program. It is expected and common knowledge that there will be "twice gifted" students in every "gifted and talented" type program in the U.S..

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OP here. I am quite surprised how much the AAP Center is against my son going there. It is quite obvious they do not want him there with his IEP. We haven't even started and we have already had two calls from the principal. My husband is "touring" the school this week, but I am not. I don't see the point as we have already made our decision. They don't want to work with my son and now I am having doubts and thinking we should keep him at his base school and just do the Level 111 option there as that is all that is offered. I feel the AAP center will not provide my son with the resources he needs to succeed. Very frustrating overall. I didn't even know about AAP until last year and I really do think my son would do better academically in that setting.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I am quite surprised how much the AAP Center is against my son going there. It is quite obvious they do not want him there with his IEP. We haven't even started and we have already had two calls from the principal. My husband is "touring" the school this week, but I am not. I don't see the point as we have already made our decision. They don't want to work with my son and now I am having doubts and thinking we should keep him at his base school and just do the Level 111 option there as that is all that is offered. I feel the AAP center will not provide my son with the resources he needs to succeed. Very frustrating overall. I didn't even know about AAP until last year and I really do think my son would do better academically in that setting.

If you decide to keep your DS in his current ES and he needs to be in a more advanced math class, see if they will let him take math with the grade above him. That way, if you decide to transfer him in 4th or 5th grade, he will be in line with the AAP math class.

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Anonymous wrote:Weather [SIC] and how these students receive services in their local schools is dependent on state law and local policies and practices.

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/gifted_ed/ed_services_plans/understanding_the_regs.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I am quite surprised how much the AAP Center is against my son going there. It is quite obvious they do not want him there with his IEP. We haven't even started and we have already had two calls from the principal. My husband is "touring" the school this week, but I am not. I don't see the point as we have already made our decision. They don't want to work with my son and now I am having doubts and thinking we should keep him at his base school and just do the Level 111 option there as that is all that is offered. I feel the AAP center will not provide my son with the resources he needs to succeed. Very frustrating overall. I didn't even know about AAP until last year and I really do think my son would do better academically in that setting.

If you decide to keep your DS in his current ES and he needs to be in a more advanced math class, see if they will let him take math with the grade above him. That way, if you decide to transfer him in 4th or 5th grade, he will be in line with the AAP math class.

Good idea, PP

OP - have you spoken with central office staff? I suggest contacting Carol Horn's office as they are quite familiar with students in Centers with IEPs. Perhaps they can assist with working with the Center school.

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OP here. Great suggestions on contacting Carol Horn's office and the advanced math option. We are going to see how my husband's visit on Friday goes and then go from there.

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Anonymous wrote:"The United States currently has NO federal law mandating the education of gifted children. Weather and how these students receive services in their local schools is dependent on state law and local policies and practices. More than 30 states mandate identification and/or services for gifted students, although there is a wide variability on policies regarding student identification, provision of gifted program services, teacher training, and other areas crucial to ensuring high quality gifted education." In a HUGE majority of states in the U.S. EVERY student in the "gifted and talented" program receives an IEP because these programs usually fall under Special Education Services. In these states and school districts the student HAS to with NO exception have a minimum qualifying IQ score, typically 130. All the current and future AAP students in Fairfax County who do not have the minimum IQ score would not qualify for these programs. From reading these boards there certainly seems to be a lot of students who would not qualify for placement in the standard "gifted and talented" program. It is expected and common knowledge that there will be "twice gifted" students in every "gifted and talented" type program in the U.S..

We live in Virginia, there is a law in Virginia mandating gifted education. Are you suggesting that because there is no Federal law FCPS can ignore the Virginia law?

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We live in Virginia, there is a law in Virginia mandating gifted education. Are you suggesting that because there is no Federal law FCPS can ignore the Virginia law?

The regulation is quite vague. It does not suggest that centers are necessary. It does not define what benchmark to use for "gifted"--i.e. IQ score or such. Superior performance in the performing arts is also defined as "gifted". FCPS has taken this law WAAAAY too far. Any child could be identified as needing gifted services if you read the reg.