IEP and rising AAP student

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

Fortunately, that's not the law. If an educational option (AAP) is offered in the school district, it must be offered to a student with a disability. It is public school. If you don't like it, shell out for private school.

The people that are unhappy are the ones with kids with behavioral/mental health issues - they are upset that they don't get twice the services. It doesn't bother the rest of us except to possibly waste class time. I feel quite lucky that DC has access to a more challenging curriculum, but I don't think it's the public school system's responsibility to provide it. If they do provide it - great, if they don't - it's just a shame.

I think what you say above actually applies to the unhappy parents to whom I am referring - if the public school system does not provide your child with all the services you need, think about paying and going private.
AAP is being offered to all students that qualify. You can't be up in arms that your child is not getting ALL the services you want at the same time. As I mentioned before, most of the kids in this country get no special services what so ever. Consider yourself lucky that you are being offered whatever services your child gets.

Lucky for the OP, the law says differently. AAP is being offered to the OP's child because he qualifies based on his ability. The OP's child has an IEP because the child qualifies based on his needs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The service's the OP is requesting should be available to her DC based on the current rules and regulations. There is already too much discrimination against children with disabilities.

To the PP, consider yourself lucky that you do not have a child with special needs.

Actually, my child does have ADHD but manages to pull it together in AAP without an IEP, a 504 or any special accommodations. If DC needed any of the above, I would be grateful if the school gave them in addition to AAP services, but would never EXPECT it or whine if DC did not receive it. As I mentioned, I am grateful to have access to AAP itself. This is PUBLIC education. People in this area are just too privileged - we think we have every right to keep expecting more.

Are you for real? PP also mentioned that her child has autism and has and IEP. Your child probably doesn't have an IEP because his issues are not as severe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

Fortunately, that's not the law. If an educational option (AAP) is offered in the school district, it must be offered to a student with a disability. It is public school. If you don't like it, shell out for private school.

The people that are unhappy are the ones with kids with behavioral/mental health issues - they are upset that they don't get twice the services. It doesn't bother the rest of us except to possibly waste class time. I feel quite lucky that DC has access to a more challenging curriculum, but I don't think it's the public school system's responsibility to provide it. If they do provide it - great, if they don't - it's just a shame.

I think what you say above actually applies to the unhappy parents to whom I am referring - if the public school system does not provide your child with all the services you need, think about paying and going private.
AAP is being offered to all students that qualify. You can't be up in arms that your child is not getting ALL the services you want at the same time. As I mentioned before, most of the kids in this country get no special services what so ever. Consider yourself lucky that you are being offered whatever services your child gets.

Lucky for the OP, the law says differently. AAP is being offered to the OP's child because he qualifies based on his ability. The OP's child has an IEP because the child qualifies based on his needs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The service's the OP is requesting should be available to her DC based on the current rules and regulations. There is already too much discrimination against children with disabilities.

To the PP, consider yourself lucky that you do not have a child with special needs.

Actually, my child does have ADHD but manages to pull it together in AAP without an IEP, a 504 or any special accommodations. If DC needed any of the above, I would be grateful if the school gave them in addition to AAP services, but would never EXPECT it or whine if DC did not receive it. As I mentioned, I am grateful to have access to AAP itself. This is PUBLIC education. People in this area are just too privileged - we think we have every right to keep expecting more.

FAPE is the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

Fortunately, that's not the law. If an educational option (AAP) is offered in the school district, it must be offered to a student with a disability. It is public school. If you don't like it, shell out for private school.

The people that are unhappy are the ones with kids with behavioral/mental health issues - they are upset that they don't get twice the services. It doesn't bother the rest of us except to possibly waste class time. I feel quite lucky that DC has access to a more challenging curriculum, but I don't think it's the public school system's responsibility to provide it. If they do provide it - great, if they don't - it's just a shame.

I think what you say above actually applies to the unhappy parents to whom I am referring - if the public school system does not provide your child with all the services you need, think about paying and going private.
AAP is being offered to all students that qualify. You can't be up in arms that your child is not getting ALL the services you want at the same time. As I mentioned before, most of the kids in this country get no special services what so ever. Consider yourself lucky that you are being offered whatever services your child gets.

Lucky for the OP, the law says differently. AAP is being offered to the OP's child because he qualifies based on his ability. The OP's child has an IEP because the child qualifies based on his needs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The service's the OP is requesting should be available to her DC based on the current rules and regulations. There is already too much discrimination against children with disabilities.

To the PP, consider yourself lucky that you do not have a child with special needs.

Actually, my child does have ADHD but manages to pull it together in AAP without an IEP, a 504 or any special accommodations. If DC needed any of the above, I would be grateful if the school gave them in addition to AAP services, but would never EXPECT it or whine if DC did not receive it. As I mentioned, I am grateful to have access to AAP itself. This is PUBLIC education. People in this area are just too privileged - we think we have every right to keep expecting more.

. Well aren't you lucky that your child's issues are not severe enough to require a 504 or IEP. Parents whose children who are on the autism spectrum or who have more significant ADHD are only looking for what is guaranteed to them by federal law. There is a difference between privilege and law. I sincerely hope that your child is not expressing your beliefs to his/her classmates. I'd be disgusted if my child came home speaking that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

Fortunately, that's not the law. If an educational option (AAP) is offered in the school district, it must be offered to a student with a disability. It is public school. If you don't like it, shell out for private school.

The people that are unhappy are the ones with kids with behavioral/mental health issues - they are upset that they don't get twice the services. It doesn't bother the rest of us except to possibly waste class time. I feel quite lucky that DC has access to a more challenging curriculum, but I don't think it's the public school system's responsibility to provide it. If they do provide it - great, if they don't - it's just a shame.

I think what you say above actually applies to the unhappy parents to whom I am referring - if the public school system does not provide your child with all the services you need, think about paying and going private.
AAP is being offered to all students that qualify. You can't be up in arms that your child is not getting ALL the services you want at the same time. As I mentioned before, most of the kids in this country get no special services what so ever. Consider yourself lucky that you are being offered whatever services your child gets.

Lucky for the OP, the law says differently. AAP is being offered to the OP's child because he qualifies based on his ability. The OP's child has an IEP because the child qualifies based on his needs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The service's the OP is requesting should be available to her DC based on the current rules and regulations. There is already too much discrimination against children with disabilities.

To the PP, consider yourself lucky that you do not have a child with special needs.

Actually, my child does have ADHD but manages to pull it together in AAP without an IEP, a 504 or any special accommodations. If DC needed any of the above, I would be grateful if the school gave them in addition to AAP services, but would never EXPECT it or whine if DC did not receive it. As I mentioned, I am grateful to have access to AAP itself. This is PUBLIC education. People in this area are just too privileged - we think we have every right to keep expecting more.

You missed my point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks again for the support. I do believe my son will excel in the AAP program despite having an IEP. I also believe he has a right to be there. The law supports this right. If I could go back and have an average kiddo without special needs, I would probably do it but he is who he is and we must work with him to have him succeed. We didn't go with AAP just because of the projects, but it was in the plus column. Interestingly, we got a call from AAP center's principal yesterday and she was clearly trying to talk us out of AAP for our son. It wasn't whether he is good for the program or not. We know she doesn't want to add a kid with a big IEP to her school. She doesn't want the extra budget and work involved. She really talked down to us and it gave us a bad taste for her.

I'm sorry that stinks. Was the call unsolicited? Is there any LLIV program at your current school?

Was it Lorton Station?

[Anonymous]

OP, I've only had one year of experience with my DS in AAP, but given what I've heard from him... your child will not be the first, last or only one with these "extremes." His AAP center does not have IA's in any of the 3rd grade classrooms, and it seems that the principal split the challenging behavioral kids into different rooms so that one teacher wouldn't be overwhelmed. When the child who has crying/tantrum experiences has a full on episode, the AAP teacher calls someone to come help (according to my son). There is also a chair called "the mountain" and any child can "go to the mountain" when he/she needs some time to be away from things/people. They are not "sent to the mountain" but they can choose to take some time there.

My point is that AAP teachers know that kids who qualify often come with "extremes" and they should (are) prepared to deal with that.

BTW -- the kid who falls apart... he's in my son's friend group now. So, I think there is a place for everyone. A qualified teacher should be able to handle ADHD/emotional sensitivities as long as there is some back up.

If your child really requires all day everyday supervision, then I don't know... I might choose to keep him in the base school where those connections already exist and work with THOSE teachers to make his assignments more creative. Seems like there is opportunity to be creative in both programs (reg. and AAP). I would actually say that the normal AAP assignments -- the ones they have EVERY WEEK -- require a child to be more structured/focussed/organized in getting them done rather than creative.

[Anonymous]

It was not Lorton Station. It was Keene Mill. We are optimistic and hope we can work well with the school to have my son succeed next year.

[Anonymous]

You know, OP, I would ask Jeff to delete that last post. It pretty much outs your family and you don't want someone from that school to see it and start off on the wrong foot, kwim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC has experienced both the AAP center and LLIV (no IEP or special needs). When I asked DC was there any difference betw either classroom, the answer was "at the Center we wasted a lot of time because the teacher had to deal with crying or angry boys."

I'm afraid I just don't understand how people feel their kids who have emotional issues have the "right" to special attention both from an IEP and AAP. This is public education - the majority of the children get no special attention what so ever. Be happy that you get either an IEP or AAP.

are you for real? So, in your opinion, despite the fact that a child has been identified as being in need of gifted services, you feel that this child should be kept in General Education, so your snowflake genius does not have his or her learning disrupted? Any special needs parent would love to give up their IEP to have a child without issues. What you are asking for is a private school, who can weed out "problem" students.

+100

wow. there are just so many things wrong with what was written there ("crying angry boys") i don't know where to start

[Anonymous]

Why on earth are boys >= 3rd grade crying in school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why on earth are boys >= 3rd grade crying in school?

For the same reasons girls in 3rd grade cry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why on earth are boys >= 3rd grade crying in school?

anxiety, frustration, skinned knees, fears, phobias, sensitivities to sounds...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth are boys >= 3rd grade crying in school?

For the same reasons girls in 3rd grade cry.

I would think that most kids (girls and boys) grades 3 through 6 can count on one part of one hand how many times they have cried in school. (ie zero to maybe once or twice at the most) - and that would for the most part be due to injury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth are boys >= 3rd grade crying in school?

For the same reasons girls in 3rd grade cry.

I would think that most kids (girls and boys) grades 3 through 6 can count on one part of one hand how many times they have cried in school. (ie zero to maybe once or twice at the most) - and that would for the most part be due to injury.

I hope you are not a teacher. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for that feedback 12:18. I really think he will excel in the program too but just need to work on social skills/reactions. He is a sweet kid 95% of the time. It's just that 5% I fret about!

I have a rising 1st grader who also has an IEP for social interactions, my question is: would his social skills affect the gbrs score?