Surplussing the old Hardy School, again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the problem with this property that there is no outdoor space? the surrounding fields are not DCPS property. If that is the case, the potential elementary school would have no outdoor space.

No. See Shepherd Elementary and Stoddert and Hearst for examples.

Each of these three ES has play spaces that belong exclusively to the DCPS itself. Then, they have enormous green areas that are actually part of DC Dept. of Parks and Recreation that are immediately adjacent -- and the elementary schools use those heavily during the day as if they were 'their own.'

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

Kids from all over the city come to Hardy, see the attendance map displayed on a thread of some weeks ago. The largest cluster is made of IB kids.

Quite the opposite.
http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/school/246

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

And you're going to convince the faculty to move with them so DCPS can put a completely new faculty in the new Hardy that's going to somehow be heads and shoulders above the existing faculty?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

Kids from all over the city come to Hardy, see the attendance map displayed on a thread of some weeks ago. The largest cluster is made of IB kids.

Quite the opposite.
http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/school/246

This is not true. Look at the data and look at the boundary. Although they don't overlay perfectly you will see more than 20 kids from Glover Park, McClean Gardens, Cathedral Heights, and nearly 20 more from Spring Valley Palisades, Foxhall etc. so to purport "quite the opposite" means you didn't look at the data, don't understand the data, or don't care. Kids are coming from all different areas around the city but there is a solid representation from Hardy's boundary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

Kids from all over the city come to Hardy, see the attendance map displayed on a thread of some weeks ago. The largest cluster is made of IB kids.

Quite the opposite.
http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/school/246

The previous statement is true: the largest cluster of Hardy students is that of the IB kids, about 40 of them (see the first two rays in the NW quadrant) .

So the suggestion to move the school closer to where the students live makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the problem with this property that there is no outdoor space? the surrounding fields are not DCPS property. If that is the case, the potential elementary school would have no outdoor space.

You mean the existing Hardy? The only outdoor play/athletic space it has is a mini field that looks as if it's been compressed to squeeze in a staff parking lot. Unfortunately Hardy doesn't even have privileges to use the large field at Jeleff which is across the street. Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

They just need to manage the OOB population down as IB enrollment continues to climb.

The Ward 3 elementary schools with the biggest crowding issues already have virtually no OOB kids.

If a new W3 elementary school is needed, a good space would be the existing Second District police complex on Idaho Avenue. It's next to McLean Gardens, and also adjacent to the Mann and Janney districts. The two-story building could be renovated as a school, or torn down and replaced. It's surrounded by lots of fields, parking and a nearby DPR playground (not unlike Hearst). Police departments around the country are giving up large stations in favor of smaller, community-based police offices closer to their neighborhoods, so it's not unrealistic to think that this obsolete asset could be repurposed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the problem with this property that there is no outdoor space? the surrounding fields are not DCPS property. If that is the case, the potential elementary school would have no outdoor space.

You mean the existing Hardy? The only outdoor play/athletic space it has is a mini field that looks as if it's been compressed to squeeze in a staff parking lot. Unfortunately Hardy doesn't even have privileges to use the large field at Jeleff which is across the street. Pathetic.

Maret has exclusive use of Jelleff only 3:30 – 5:30 pm.

Sure Hardy (in Georgetown) does not have the fields available to Deal which is in Tenleytown. We like it like this, this is why we live in Georgetown instead of Tenleytown. However, given the smaller numbers, Hardy kids get to have 1 period of PE per day, while at Deal they get PE only for one semester, due to overcrowding.

And by the way, Hardy indoor gym has the size of 3 basketball courts..

Happy parent of IB 5th grader heading to Hardy next year (with more than half of her current 5th grade class).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

Kids from all over the city come to Hardy, see the attendance map displayed on a thread of some weeks ago. The largest cluster is made of IB kids.

Quite the opposite.
http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/school/246

The previous statement is true: the largest cluster of Hardy students is that of the IB kids, about 40 of them (see the first two rays in the NW quadrant) .

So the suggestion to move the school closer to where the students live makes no sense.

I guess cluster can mean whatever you want it to mean. If you use the "clusters" defined on the map, the biggest one is Brightwood Park, Petworth, Crestwood with 27 students. If you think in terms of geography, the two major dividers in the city are Rock Creek and the Anacostia. More then 90% of Hardy students live east of Rock Creek, and more than 20% live east of the Anacostia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

Kids from all over the city come to Hardy, see the attendance map displayed on a thread of some weeks ago. The largest cluster is made of IB kids.

Quite the opposite.
http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/school/246

The previous statement is true: the largest cluster of Hardy students is that of the IB kids, about 40 of them (see the first two rays in the NW quadrant) .

So the suggestion to move the school closer to where the students live makes no sense.

I guess cluster can mean whatever you want it to mean. If you use the "clusters" defined on the map, the biggest one is Brightwood Park, Petworth, Crestwood with 27 students. If you think in terms of geography, the two major dividers in the city are Rock Creek and the Anacostia. More then 90% of Hardy students live east of Rock Creek, and more than 20% live east of the Anacostia.

This is true, but PP was bold enough to say "quite the opposite" which I guess can mean whatever you want it to mean. But a difference of 5 kids (with the 22 from the McClean Gardens cluster) doesn't seem like a huge difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the problem with this property that there is no outdoor space? the surrounding fields are not DCPS property. If that is the case, the potential elementary school would have no outdoor space.

No. See Shepherd Elementary and Stoddert and Hearst for examples.

Each of these three ES has play spaces that belong exclusively to the DCPS itself. Then, they have enormous green areas that are actually part of DC Dept. of Parks and Recreation that are immediately adjacent -- and the elementary schools use those heavily during the day as if they were 'their own.'

Stoddert looks lovely! How long does it take to do something like that and how much would it cost? The Old Hardy now Lab School on Foxhall Rd is very close to Hardy MS. How would DCPS justify adding another ES so close to Hardy MS when IB % is so low now? I don't have answers, but it doesn't seem to make sense to put a bandaid on crowding at Key without a bigger plan.

Can the lease be re-worked to better terms for DCPS? At least the city could get paid until there's a more comprehensive solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the problem with this property that there is no outdoor space? the surrounding fields are not DCPS property. If that is the case, the potential elementary school would have no outdoor space.

You mean the existing Hardy? The only outdoor play/athletic space it has is a mini field that looks as if it's been compressed to squeeze in a staff parking lot. Unfortunately Hardy doesn't even have privileges to use the large field at Jeleff which is across the street. Pathetic.

Maret has exclusive use of Jelleff only 3:30 – 5:30 pm.

Sure Hardy (in Georgetown) does not have the fields available to Deal which is in Tenleytown. We like it like this, this is why we live in Georgetown instead of Tenleytown. However, given the smaller numbers, Hardy kids get to have 1 period of PE per day, while at Deal they get PE only for one semester, due to overcrowding.

And by the way, Hardy indoor gym has the size of 3 basketball courts..

Happy parent of IB 5th grader heading to Hardy next year (with more than half of her current 5th grade class).

Basketball's great, if that's your thing, but what about the large number of students in Ward 3 who want to play outdoor sports? How does Hardy work for them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

And you're going to convince the faculty to move with them so DCPS can put a completely new faculty in the new Hardy that's going to somehow be heads and shoulders above the existing faculty?

Remember the angry, militant teacher who led the fight against Michelle Rhee and her plan to oust the administration and increase IB enrollment at Hardy? She's still barricaded in the Hardy English department and would surely wage guerilla war over this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

Kids from all over the city come to Hardy, see the attendance map displayed on a thread of some weeks ago. The largest cluster is made of IB kids.

Quite the opposite.
http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/school/246

The previous statement is true: the largest cluster of Hardy students is that of the IB kids, about 40 of them (see the first two rays in the NW quadrant) .

So the suggestion to move the school closer to where the students live makes no sense.

Are you and the other PP low vision? Or can you not do simple math?

While it's true that 40 Hardy students live IB for Hardy, [i]the remainder live OOB/i] 386 Hardy students total - 40 IB students = 346 students who live OOB. aka, the actual "largest cluster" of Hardy students.

http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Hardy+Middle+School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not put "hardy" in a surplus building closer to the homes of the students who attend it?

Kids from all over the city come to Hardy, see the attendance map displayed on a thread of some weeks ago. The largest cluster is made of IB kids.

Quite the opposite.
http://edu.codefordc.org/#!/school/246

The previous statement is true: the largest cluster of Hardy students is that of the IB kids, about 40 of them (see the first two rays in the NW quadrant) .

So the suggestion to move the school closer to where the students live makes no sense.

Are you and the other PP low vision? Or can you not do simple math?

While it's true that 40 Hardy students live IB for Hardy, [i]the remainder live OOB/i] 386 Hardy students total - 40 IB students = 346 students who live OOB. aka, the actual "largest cluster" of Hardy students.

http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Hardy+Middle+School

And most oob live eotp.

Move hardy to where the kids live. The 40 IB kids can go to deal.