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"Fuck off"????????
Why...I never.... |
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jsteele, thank you for taking the time to make a thorough response. For the record, I've never complained about you deleting one of MY posts. I've started no threads on this site. You've got that wrong. Also...a co-conspirator? Now, we may be friends and we might have the same views on an issue but there's no conspiracy here. You were asked, by them not me, about deleting posts to get an idea of what kinds of posts were offlimits because there didn't seem to be anything patently offensive in what was posted. There's nothing on your site that says that posts need to be constructive, non-ironic or even polite. I said a post was INANE and that really stuck in your craw. Why is it you're the only one that took offense to it? The rest of the adults here were able to see it for what it is and then disregard it if it rang false. Why couldn't you do the same?
Anyway, I think I'll take the fuck off option. I'll go to sites where people can speak their minds and not have to fear retribution from small-minded site admins who can't keep their nose out of it. Please ban my IP. That'll just make it easier for both of us and a badge of honor for me. |
jsteele
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Actually, this is pretty much covered in the FAQ: I saw that someone asked a question that has been asked over and over again and I am sick of seeing it. Should I answer with a sarcastic response? No. If you want to be helpful, post a link to a previous thread or politely suggest the poster use the search system. If you don't want to be helpful, please move on to the next thread. I also saw that someone posted a really stupid question. Should I call them an idiot? No. Site Administrators probably had exactly the same question at some time and will take offense at the inference that they are idiots. But, since this was apparently not clear enough for you, I've updated the FAQ (and clarified the issue of IP addresses): There's nothing on your site that says that posts need to be constructive, non-ironic or even polite. (Justification used by a poster in defense of a non-constructive, ironic, and rude post) When you respond to posts, please be constructive, non-ironic, and polite. While other posters' questions and/or viewpoints may not seem relevant to you, they may still be important to the poster. Please treat them with respect and respond in a manner in which you would like people to respond to you. Posts that appear to be aimed at "trolling" the forum rather than engaging in construction discussion may be deleted. What is an IP address and is it private? An Internet Protocol, or IP, address is a numerical address that shows the source of connections to a website (this is a vast over-simplification, but close enough). Hostnames, such as "www.dcurbanmom.com", are translated to numeric IP addresses. Similarly, a numeric address can often be translated to a hostname. This "reverse translation" can reveal information concerning the source of a post, such as the poster's employer (if the poster is accessing DCUM from work), ISP, or the country in which the poster is present. DCUM Administrators reserve the right to reveal both IP addresses and details learned from them either publicly or privately in connection with abuse or misuse of the DCUM website. Abuse and misuse includes trolling (posting inflammatory messages in order to elicit a response), sock puppeting (posting multiple messages as if you were a different poster in each case), spamming, and chronic rudeness. The entire FAQ is available here: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/faq.html |
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So, the INANE comment might not seem relevant to you, JSTEELE, but it might be relevant to the OP. Right? |
jsteele
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Are you seriously arguing that telling someone that their question is inane is relevant to that person? Are you similarly arguing that posting about mayonnaise was relevant? Do you think your post telling the OP to join the witness protection program was relevant? |
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Okay, so maybe not RELEVANT...I'm not saying Im perfect.
But, is your idea of telling people to 'fuck off' polite? And are you saying that its okay to take ONE posters ONE comment about a post being INANE and then post HER place of employment? |
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You just don't seem to get it. No matter how many times it is explained to you, you just don't get it. It was not one comment. The poster in question posted two messages -- one after the other. One saying the post was inane and the other talking about mayonnaise. This was after the poster participated in a thread discussing why your message about the witness protection program was deleted. The poster knew that rude posts had been deleted in this thread. The poster had read a warning that rude posts were not appropriate. Still, the poster posted -- not one -- but two rude posts. And again, revealing that someone works in a bank on the opposite coast is not disclosing personal information. It does nothing to disclose the poster's identity. It was of interest to me because there were repeated posts all from the west coast, all trolling an extremely innocuous thread. I originally believed it was a single poster because I was not aware that DCUM was so popular in the Pacific Northwest. Then, the First Indy poster said there were two. Now you both claim there were three. Whatever. If anything, it's even more surprising that three people from the complete opposite side of the country are so obsessed with this humble website -- yet show no interest in the website beyond stirring up trouble. I don't know what else I can say. |
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| My, the banker has too much time on his/her hands. |
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Is this being polite and helpful? I dont think so. |
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jsteele, did anyone else complain to you about my posts being rude? If other comments were deleted for rudeness, then why not just delete mine instead of posting my domain? Your reasons for doing what you have done are so flimsy (simply that you CAN), and all in the name of sanitizing this site. I can understand removing some posts. Spam? Sure. Hate speech? Definitely. Threats? Absolutely. But "rudeness"? One person's "rudeness" is another's "biting remark". I guess YOU are a better judge of what is worthwhile input than the rest of the adults on this site. Talk about a nanny state/site. Why not just have all comments submitted for your approval before posting?
You're too caught up in the location of myself and my friend. If you want DC only input, then state THAT in your FAQ. You know, this site IS accessible from outside the DC area, in case you didn't know. What if I had lived in DC and moved west but wanted to keep in touch with the DCUM community? Would it even matter if I had never been to DC? Only DC people can have opinions/advice/snark? It's not like I'm answering questions about where to go in DC for something. The threads I've posted in are generic enough to accomodate non-local posts. If you do have a reply, don't just cherrypick the easy stuff from my previous posts. Answer the hard questions. I'm not patrolling your other threads looking for trouble. I'm here and I'm containing it to this one location. I don't think I've done anything so terrible as to be marginalized like what you're doing. Thank you. |
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Quite frankly, I'm with JSteele. This poster is really irritating.
Though I do agree with one thing the "inane" PP has posted - to ban her IP address. I'm sick of hostile sock-puppets who take otherwise benign threads and turn them into their own platforms to post about how stupid or inane or whatever the OP is. Get a life already and leave us DC'ers alone. |
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Not polite OR helpful-Please remove. |
jsteele
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No.
At the time, I believed all the rude posts were from the same poster. I didn't know we had three users in the same far off location.
I don't believe I need a reason. Certainly not one approved by you. But, frankly, I am quite comfortable with the reasons I have repeatedly stated.
On the one hand, you claim I didn't delete any of your posts because you claim not to have written either of the posts that were deleted. On the other hand, you keep bringing up the deleted posts. As I've said, it is extremely rare that I delete posts simply because they are rude. A series of events led to two being deleted. Had I not believed that the "fire her immediately" post was a spambot test post, I would not have looked up the IP address. Had the post simply been rude, but somewhat relevant, I probably would not have deleted it. Do you really think anyone will miss that post? In other words, had your message calling the original post inane been the first one I saw, I would not have looked up the IP address. I would not even have given it a second thought. The message would still be there as it is still there now. Your message showed that you had at least read the original post. That wasn't clear from the two posts I deleted.
It only matters because I thought you might all be the same user. I didn't know we have three users out there.
We have users from all over the world. I am really pleased that people from all over find DCUM to be a useful resource for keeping up on DC and learning things about our city. One of my most memorable discussions was about the situation of women in Saudi Arabia with a Saudi woman posting from Saudi Arabia. Is that great or what? I was pretty clear earlier that you are welcome to be a member of this community if you choose to play a constructive role. We have no need for trolls whether they are from the Pacific Northwest or the house next door to mine (for the record, I have the best neighbors in the world and they would never troll DCUM).
I've tried to be comprehensive.
Which questions were hard?
Much appreciated.
I don't think "marginalized" means what you think it means. You have dominated my day. This thread is little more than you and me posting back and forth seeing which one of us will kill an innocent passer-by with boredom first. I invited you to be a constructive member of the community. I don't think I could have done more to not marginalize you. Look, if there hadn't been repeated rude posts from the Pacific Northwest, plus an entire thread about those posts, your "inane" post wouldn't have been a big deal. The circumstances caused me to give it extra attention which revealed your employer. I still don't understand why you are so mad about that. Maybe you got a raw deal. Maybe I wasn't fair to you. But, you know, it wasn't fair to the poster who had a question about Avon to get repeated snarky responses. She got a raw deal also. That's life. You accept it and move on. |
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I find it exceedingly polite and extremely helpful. |
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Thank you, jsteele. Best reply yet. I understand you better from that, although I don't necessarily agree. I don't believe you hold the 1st Amendment in such high regard, despite your FAQ claim. Rarely does much get accomplished when so much focus is placed on politeness. I'd so much rather have honesty from someone than politeness, especially when I'm soliciting it in the first place.
And I don't think YOU know what marginalized means. "To relegate or confine to a lower or outer limit or edge, as of social standing." That's exactly what you were doing, despite all the attention you've given to me. You were making it seem as though my opinions were somehow invalid or inconsequential because A) they were rude and B) because they came from outside the DC area. You kept banging on about me being from the west coast as though that, in itself, was reason enough to invalidate my opinions and responses. The number of times you have done it is telling. Your anecdote about the lady from Saudi Arabia is great but it only somewhat shrouds your contempt for people not from DC; an opinion shared by the poster above calling for my banning and to "leave us DC'ers alone". Your eyes say "come hither and post" but your words say "begone, outlander". This whole kafuffle seems built on incongruities. Anonymous vs. public, written vs. unwritten rules, free speech vs. censoring, outsiders welcome vs. outsiders shunned. Contradictions abound, my good man. I do appreciate your time in responding to me. I know this was tedious and I wasn't so pleasant. Please forgive me for that. That kind of thing happens when you get to talking about something you feel passionate about. I will keep the site rules in mind should I decide to post again. Thank you. |