HELP - sibling similarities in IQ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's the program?

Inclusion classroom.

[Anonymous]

OP, you clearly have a priority problem. I feel sorry for BOTH of your children.

[Anonymous]

Differences are way more common than you seem to think. My brother and I - very different. DH and his sister - very different. Many families I know - one sib in advanced programs and the other in average. Go ahead and get retested if you want, but rest assured that if their IQs are different there's nothing unusual about that at all.

[Anonymous]

^^^ Questions like these highlight why the AAP program in FCPS has become so inflated. This assumption that if one child is gifted or super bright they all will be -- and the push to do whatever it takes -- tutoring, testing, ADHD meds, etc. to insure that every kid in a family is on the advanced academic track whether they belong there or not.

FWIW, I grew up in a family of 6. Two were off the charts brilliant, one didn't test as well, but was a hard worker and managed to get straight A's in college. One for very bright, but more artistic. Two struggled in school but have had incredible success, financial and otherwise, in their professional lives. My mother was a teacher and worked hard to meet all 6 of us where we were. I can only imagine what life would have been like if she tried to make sure we were all academic superstars.

With my own kids, one was in GT, the two others did fine in Gen Ed. The one who wasn't even close to qualifying for AAP has had straight A's in honors classes since middle school since he works hard. I never expected them to be all the same or even close and have tried to raise the kids I have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's the program?

Inclusion classroom.

Are the students in question special needs?

[Anonymous]

Yes. DH IQ =135, DS sister =145

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Questions like these highlight why the AAP program in FCPS has become so inflated. This assumption that if one child is gifted or super bright they all will be -- and the push to do whatever it takes -- tutoring, testing, ADHD meds, etc. to insure that every kid in a family is on the advanced academic track whether they belong there or not.

FWIW, I grew up in a family of 6. Two were off the charts brilliant, one didn't test as well, but was a hard worker and managed to get straight A's in college. One for very bright, but more artistic. Two struggled in school but have had incredible success, financial and otherwise, in their professional lives. My mother was a teacher and worked hard to meet all 6 of us where we were. I can only imagine what life would have been like if she tried to make sure we were all academic superstars.

With my own kids, one was in GT, the two others did fine in Gen Ed. The one who wasn't even close to qualifying for AAP has had straight A's in honors classes since middle school since he works hard. I never expected them to be all the same or even close and have tried to raise the kids I have.

+1000
Some parents expect that if one of their children is in AAP, the others are entitled to be as well. It's crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Questions like these highlight why the AAP program in FCPS has become so inflated. This assumption that if one child is gifted or super bright they all will be -- and the push to do whatever it takes -- tutoring, testing, ADHD meds, etc. to insure that every kid in a family is on the advanced academic track whether they belong there or not.

FWIW, I grew up in a family of 6. Two were off the charts brilliant, one didn't test as well, but was a hard worker and managed to get straight A's in college. One for very bright, but more artistic. Two struggled in school but have had incredible success, financial and otherwise, in their professional lives. My mother was a teacher and worked hard to meet all 6 of us where we were. I can only imagine what life would have been like if she tried to make sure we were all academic superstars.

With my own kids, one was in GT, the two others did fine in Gen Ed. The one who wasn't even close to qualifying for AAP has had straight A's in honors classes since middle school since he works hard. I never expected them to be all the same or even close and have tried to raise the kids I have.

+1000
Some parents expect that if one of their children is in AAP, the others are entitled to be as well. It's crazy.

"Entitled" sums it up perfectly.

[Anonymous]

Yes siblings can have different scores. Yes it may be variation in testing days, perhaps even differences in test morning between the WPPSI III & IV (depending on which test your kids took.) Yes we all sometimes come out of the wrong side of arbitrary decision lines.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes siblings can have different scores. Yes it may be variation in testing days, perhaps even differences in test morning between the WPPSI III & IV (depending on which test your kids took.) Yes we all sometimes come out of the wrong side of arbitrary decision lines.

Who says it's the wrong side? An IQ test measures one attribute, while many attributes go into living a happy and successful life.

And differences in intelligence of siblings may be just that, differences in intelligence -- all this testing day differences, morning vs. afternoon nonsense just feeds the erroneous assumption that kids from the same family are of equal or similar IQ, when research shows this isn't true. What is this freaking fixation on test scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes siblings can have different scores. Yes it may be variation in testing days, perhaps even differences in test morning between the WPPSI III & IV (depending on which test your kids took.) Yes we all sometimes come out of the wrong side of arbitrary decision lines.

Who says it's the wrong side? An IQ test measures one attribute, while many attributes go into living a happy and successful life.

And differences in intelligence of siblings may be just that, differences in intelligence -- all this testing day differences, morning vs. afternoon nonsense just feeds the erroneous assumption that kids from the same family are of equal or similar IQ, when research shows this isn't true. What is this freaking fixation on test scores?

i'm the PP. The arbitrary decision line in this case being the fixed IQ point for the inclusion program that OP thinks would benefit her child. The '140 FSIQ' cutoff for that purpose is arbitrary, and in this case the 'wrong' side is the score that doesn't give you a choice.

Personally I think the whole current use of scores is bogus, and I say this as a parent whose kids have scored from relatively well to very well. I also think they're used for all the wrong reasons. We just applied for our youngest and there were items in her scores that I'd be interested in looking into further to see if I could get more insight into how she thinks and learns. But since we had the test as part of an application process we don't get enough of the raw information to do that - just some rolled up numbers that confirm our general sense of our child's relative aptitude, but don't really give us any insight. So we give kids these tests and use them for application processes (not really appropriate), but don't use them for what they actually COULD help us with, which is more information on how a particular child best learns or needs help. It's really a pity.

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What is an inclusion classroom?

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, my sister has a higher IQ than me, but I am far more successful. She also had other issues which result in her not presenting well.

I was going to say this, too. But I have the higher IQ--15 points higher than my sibling. He is (far) more successful than I.

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Anonymous wrote:What is an inclusion classroom?

Yeah...In my school/district, the inclusion classroom is where they put all of the kids in the grade who have physical or cognitive problems, along with regular students. This class gets an aide to help out the teacher. I'm guessing that is not what the OP means by inclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is an inclusion classroom?

Yeah...In my school/district, the inclusion classroom is where they put all of the kids in the grade who have physical or cognitive problems, along with regular students. This class gets an aide to help out the teacher. I'm guessing that is not what the OP means by inclusion.

That is a typical usage for an inclusion classroom. Not sure how it relates to OP's descirption which sounds more like a special program for students with high IQ's.