if you are at a HRCS...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will point out that many of the schools that DCUM considers HRCS have no real track record. And, many of the parents labeling those schools this way, only have experience with PreK - maybe 1st grade. I hope all of those schools that DCUM considers HRCS will prove to be just that - time will tell. In general, though, these labels used by DCUM are just not helpful in the end for most families, in my opinion.

The only ones you could be referring to could be MV or CM because they have not yet had a 3rd grade class to do testing. That does not mean they don't have a track record, they exceed every other marker, appear to have devoted parents and a diverse group of students and teachers that are great for measuring success based on past top performers (LAMB, YY). IT scores are steadily climbing despite having a very small group of kids testing.

[Anonymous]

Same seems to be true a few other schools .

[Anonymous]

I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

I totally agree with this, especially about CM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

That is some top notch trolling right there. I love the phrases that imply problems but have no meaning- "suspiciously so" "some would say" "one has to wonder".

Creative Minds, as of the last school year (2013-14) was 5.8% Asian, 33.6% African-American (non-Hispanic), 15.3% Hispanic/Latino, 43.1% White (non-Hispanic), 2.2% Native American/Alaska Native.

What, exactly, are your "suspicions"? Who exactly would say? Who exactly would wonder, and about what?

Different schools have different applicant pools, for a lot of reasons (location, existing student/parent community, parent preferences, etc). That will tend to skew your applicant pool in certain directions. Much of this is out of control of the school. Some of it is under the control of the school- do they actively reach out to every community, do they have a diverse staff and faculty, etc? but this idea that the schools "cherry pick" students from the lottery has been debunked many times by now, at least in DC. So what are you saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

That is some top notch trolling right there. I love the phrases that imply problems but have no meaning- "suspiciously so" "some would say" "one has to wonder".

Creative Minds, as of the last school year (2013-14) was 5.8% Asian, 33.6% African-American (non-Hispanic), 15.3% Hispanic/Latino, 43.1% White (non-Hispanic), 2.2% Native American/Alaska Native.

What, exactly, are your "suspicions"? Who exactly would say? Who exactly would wonder, and about what?

Different schools have different applicant pools, for a lot of reasons (location, existing student/parent community, parent preferences, etc). That will tend to skew your applicant pool in certain directions. Much of this is out of control of the school. Some of it is under the control of the school- do they actively reach out to every community, do they have a diverse staff and faculty, etc? but this idea that the schools "cherry pick" students from the lottery has been debunked many times by now, at least in DC. So what are you saying?

Not PP, but didn't CM not have public lotteries until this year? If you don't hold public lotteries as mandated by PCSB, how has it been "debunked" that CM wasn't cherry picking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

What a bizarre and untrue. GGW listed the top 10 diverse charter schools in the city. CM was 5th. Use facts not rumors from DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will point out that many of the schools that DCUM considers HRCS have no real track record. And, many of the parents labeling those schools this way, only have experience with PreK - maybe 1st grade. I hope all of those schools that DCUM considers HRCS will prove to be just that - time will tell. In general, though, these labels used by DCUM are just not helpful in the end for most families, in my opinion.

The only ones you could be referring to could be MV or CM because they have not yet had a 3rd grade class to do testing. That does not mean they don't have a track record, they exceed every other marker, appear to have devoted parents and a diverse group of students and teachers that are great for measuring success based on past top performers (LAMB, YY). IT scores are steadily climbing despite having a very small group of kids testing.

Again, try a little research before you post. Facts are helpful vs what you believe. CM has not only a 3rd but a 4th grade. They also have test scores which have been posted on DCPCSB website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

What a bizarre and untrue. GGW listed the top 10 diverse charter schools in the city. CM was 5th. Use facts not rumors from DCUM.

Diverse in this case did not mean "representative of the city" but the opposite, which is why CM is being dinged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

What a bizarre and untrue. GGW listed the top 10 diverse charter schools in the city. CM was 5th. Use facts not rumors from DCUM.

Diverse in this case did not mean "representative of the city" but the opposite, which is why CM is being dinged.

One anonymous poster isn't really "CM being dinged"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

I totally agree with this, especially about CM.

+2 and SWS though it's not a charter, it has no results to back up the DCUM hype.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

What a bizarre and untrue. GGW listed the top 10 diverse charter schools in the city. CM was 5th. Use facts not rumors from DCUM.

Diverse in this case did not mean "representative of the city" but the opposite, which is why CM is being dinged.

Based on many of the conversations around here as well as the recent Erich Martel WaPo article, some people seem to want to think "diverse" is strictly about racial minority majority and in some cases go even further to suggest more specifically that it means majority-AA and AA run. They think a school that is 25% white is "too white" and "not diverse" enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would disagree that CM is diverse, despite what others think. White population is disproportionately high (suspiciously so, some would say) - unless your comparison is the Ward 3 schools. Anyway, proves my point that DCUMers continue to look down on majority AA schools that are tier 1 - or climbing (like IT) yet consider schools without any real record to be highly regarded. Is this because of their demographics, one has to wonder? Personally, I want ALL of the schools to be successful because different kids need different things. I do not believe that just because, for example, YY is considered a HRCS that it is the right place for all kids. And, I think YY has a great program but it would not be the right place for my kids.

That is some top notch trolling right there. I love the phrases that imply problems but have no meaning- "suspiciously so" "some would say" "one has to wonder".

Creative Minds, as of the last school year (2013-14) was 5.8% Asian, 33.6% African-American (non-Hispanic), 15.3% Hispanic/Latino, 43.1% White (non-Hispanic), 2.2% Native American/Alaska Native.

What, exactly, are your "suspicions"? Who exactly would say? Who exactly would wonder, and about what?

Different schools have different applicant pools, for a lot of reasons (location, existing student/parent community, parent preferences, etc). That will tend to skew your applicant pool in certain directions. Much of this is out of control of the school. Some of it is under the control of the school- do they actively reach out to every community, do they have a diverse staff and faculty, etc? but this idea that the schools "cherry pick" students from the lottery has been debunked many times by now, at least in DC. So what are you saying?

Not PP, but didn't CM not have public lotteries until this year? If you don't hold public lotteries as mandated by PCSB, how has it been "debunked" that CM wasn't cherry picking?

I notice no response to this, so glad we can at least agree that this has not been debunked. I'm not the person posting about CMs diversity, just wanted to make sure this point didn't get lost because to this day there's never been a good explanation of why CM did their lotteries in secret and were in past years not at all forthcoming about their waitlist (no published waitlists either). Now they're in the common lottery so it'll be interesting to see if anything about the profiles of their incoming students changes.

[Anonymous]

Not affiliated with CM but I would add that yeah they may not have had public lotteries but I do NOT feel like they were cherry picking applicants. I just think as a new school they weren't equipped with dealing with a public lottery during school year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not affiliated with CM but I would add that yeah they may not have had public lotteries but I do NOT feel like they were cherry picking applicants. I just think as a new school they weren't equipped with dealing with a public lottery during school year.

It was a stupid decision that will always leave them a bit suspect.