Does anyone believe in a vengeful God?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And those who do put their faith in God must tithe one tenth of their gross income to church. If you do not do so you are robbing God.

Yes, God needs money -- to build and maintain buildings where humans can come to worship him - and for salaries for people to lead others in worship. God is omnipotent, but he can't support his worshippers without their monetary assistance.

Why can't God allow people to worship in their homes?

Why do I need to pay someone to read the bible to me?

priests, reverends, ministers - all as bad as other "middlemen" like lawyers and insurance sales reps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And those who do put their faith in God must tithe one tenth of their gross income to church. If you do not do so you are robbing God.

Yes, God needs money -- to build and maintain buildings where humans can come to worship him - and for salaries for people to lead others in worship. God is omnipotent, but he can't support his worshippers without their monetary assistance.

Why can't God allow people to worship in their homes?

Why do I need to pay someone to read the bible to me?

priests, reverends, ministers - all as bad as other "middlemen" like lawyers and insurance sales reps

lawyers and insurance reps are occasionally come in handy - clergy too, to interpret the book that God (supposedly) wrote 2,000 years ago and hasn't done an update. Plus God is invisible, so it helps to have a real human around to remind us of his presence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And those who do put their faith in God must tithe one tenth of their gross income to church. If you do not do so you are robbing God.

Yes, God needs money -- to build and maintain buildings where humans can come to worship him - and for salaries for people to lead others in worship. God is omnipotent, but he can't support his worshippers without their monetary assistance.

Why can't God allow people to worship in their homes?

Why do I need to pay someone to read the bible to me?

priests, reverends, ministers - all as bad as other "middlemen" like lawyers and insurance sales reps

there are many kind, good clergy who provide the same sorts of support you can get from a social service agency, family members or close friends. The difference is that clergy are also associated with a religious institution that requires monetary support from its members. Another difference is that clergy supposedly are God's representatives on Earth and can help solicit divine intervention, if you believe in it or think it will help in a way the other support networks will not.

[Anonymous]

This is an interesting read. You have to read the whole thing carefully to get the point, but it is worth doing. The author is saying that only through taking God seriously as a wrathful God can one appreciate him fully as a loving God.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-blessing-of-a-wrathful-god/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting read. You have to read the whole thing carefully to get the point, but it is worth doing. The author is saying that only through taking God seriously as a wrathful God can one appreciate him fully as a loving God.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-blessing-of-a-wrathful-god/

I read stand think the author would have been better served by attending a military school. He obviously needs discipline and isn't getting enough from the Catholic church

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting read. You have to read the whole thing carefully to get the point, but it is worth doing. The author is saying that only through taking God seriously as a wrathful God can one appreciate him fully as a loving God.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-blessing-of-a-wrathful-god/

I read stand think the author would have been better served by attending a military school. He obviously needs discipline and isn't getting enough from the Catholic church

read stand = really

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've never understood the common modern concept of God as compassionate, merciful, saving, etc. But wondering if anyone actively believes in God as a vengeful and willfully violent/aggressive being? I'm not talking about the devil/satan, or some off-shoot. But the idea of a supreme being/deity.

Can you describe when you have seen God act in a vengeful way?

Billions of people and I have never seen proof. Please share.

4 pages and no one has any example when they have seen a vengeful god act. Yet so many believe.

I do not understand how people can suspend rational thought and believe in superstition created by elites and pushed by elites for the benefit of elites. I just don't get it.

The old testament was filled with a unforgiving god that imposed fear, the new testament was a compassionate god that offered hope. Same religion, 2 completely different gods. I just don't get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've never understood the common modern concept of God as compassionate, merciful, saving, etc. But wondering if anyone actively believes in God as a vengeful and willfully violent/aggressive being? I'm not talking about the devil/satan, or some off-shoot. But the idea of a supreme being/deity.

Can you describe when you have seen God act in a vengeful way?

Billions of people and I have never seen proof. Please share.

4 pages and no one has any example when they have seen a vengeful god act. Yet so many believe.

I do not understand how people can suspend rational thought and believe in superstition created by elites and pushed by elites for the benefit of elites. I just don't get it.

The old testament was filled with a unforgiving god that imposed fear, the new testament was a compassionate god that offered hope. Same religion, 2 completely different gods. I just don't get it.

Actually, it's the same God -- but he mellowed when he had a son -- until later when he decided, in his infinite wisdom, that his son had to be sacrificed to atone for the sins of all mankind It was a gift to all future generations and if they refuse it, god sends them to hell for eternity

[Anonymous]

2 Peter 3:3-10: "Scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, 'Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.' For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2 Peter 3:3-10: "Scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, 'Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.' For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed."

trying to discourage rational thought with bible verses? Why would anyone "believe" an ancient source that is known to be full or flaws and inconsistencies and discard all other info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 Peter 3:3-10: "Scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, 'Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.' For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed."

trying to discourage rational thought with bible verses? Why would anyone "believe" an ancient source that is known to be full or flaws and inconsistencies and discard all other info?

"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 Peter 3:3-10: "Scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, 'Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.' For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed."

trying to discourage rational thought with bible verses? Why would anyone "believe" an ancient source that is known to be full or flaws and inconsistencies and discard all other info?

"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

Thus sayeth the vengeful Lord.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2 Peter 3:3-10: "Scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, 'Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.' For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed."

trying to discourage rational thought with bible verses? Why would anyone "believe" an ancient source that is known to be full or flaws and inconsistencies and discard all other info?

"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

Thus sayeth the vengeful Lord.

"But commends His love in this, that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've never understood the common modern concept of God as compassionate, merciful, saving, etc. But wondering if anyone actively believes in God as a vengeful and willfully violent/aggressive being? I'm not talking about the devil/satan, or some off-shoot. But the idea of a supreme being/deity.

Here is an ancient concept - Karma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've never understood the common modern concept of God as compassionate, merciful, saving, etc. But wondering if anyone actively believes in God as a vengeful and willfully violent/aggressive being? I'm not talking about the devil/satan, or some off-shoot. But the idea of a supreme being/deity.

Here is an ancient concept - Karma.

there's bad karma too, right? and the merciful God can turn vengeful if you don't accept his son's sacrifice.