Math in Private School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most research is a team sport. The first author generally directs and coordinates the research effort and the last author or most senior author (in general) runs the lab, raises funds and is the Principal Investigator writing the grants for the laboratory.

Occasionally there are high school students who are first authors on these research papers. Of note, there are many authors between the first and the senior author on a research paper who have provided contributions to the effort.

How many humanity-oriented or science-oriented private school students have any authorship in peer-reviewed journals?

Yes, yes, yes.

Signed, a researcher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for the information. Just to clarify. The TJ and Blair kids rarely do "original research" ... note they are not named 1st on the paper. They do internships and get their name on a paper. They neither wrote the paper, nor did the research.

Do you really think researchers would agree to put some kid's name on their paper in return for her washing out the test tubes or cleaning the rat mazes? Co-authoring a research paper is the holy grail, it can take years of work, and it can make or break whether you get tenure. Researchers don't just hand out co-authorships to high school kids like candy.

You are clueless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact is that 20% of MIT's freshmen are from private schools, even though private school students are only 10% of the population. So there isn't much of a case to be made that private school students are ill prepared to get in.

What percent of MIT's applicants are from private schools? Speaking of math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holton has an amazing math program. In Middle School their are 4 levels per class to accommodate all skill levels....too hard for me!

I agree but I think it is 5 levels. Some 8th graders are taking Algebra 2 in a high school class. The rest are one Geometry Honors class, one Algebra I Honors class, one Algebra I (non-honors) and one pre-algebra class. I think that is pretty segregated and aggressive for math. They have the perk of having all 3 school levels under one roof and will move the kids for math if needed. I just assumed other private schools did this too. They also have after-school clubs for Coding and Robotics for middle schoolers.

In high school they offer a STEM scholars program. We picked this school because TJ is too far from us, and we are not fond of Blair as a whole. We like the all-girls school environment for a girl in STEM since the boys seem to out-number girls immensely and that is why girls (as a whole) start to shy away from the STEM focus. I didn't want that to happen to my daughter and so far she still loves it.

You had a choice between Blair in MCPS and TJ in VA? No, you didn't. Also, kids have to be accepted into a magnet for there to be an element ofchoice.

Who are you to say there aren't choices? She is 2yrs away from high school options so I can not compare but she did get accepted into middle school magnet she applied for and we declined. A few others we know did too as people do apply to privates, magnets and consider their home schools. Not everyone picks a magnet over all others. TJ, maybe but not the MCPS magnets. .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did your Sidwell kids also participate in outside contests and research projects?

Yes -- all 3 participated in national math competitions and did well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact is that 20% of MIT's freshmen are from private schools, even though private school students are only 10% of the population. So there isn't much of a case to be made that private school students are ill prepared to get in.

It's called "loving the full pay." One of the reasons colleges love private kids.

[Anonymous]

The fact is that 20% of MIT's freshmen are from private schools, even though private school students are only 10% of the population. So there isn't much of a case to be made that private school students are ill prepared to get in.

Such naivete. Follow the money $$$ you numb skull. What capitalistic planet are you on. Harvard's ($ 33 billion) and MIT's endowment is in the billions of dollars.
If 90% of their students were from public schools over the last 100 years do you think these institutions would have amassed fortunes worth a few countries' GDP!!!

With your absent critical thinking skills you would be rejected from the public State flagship universities!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for the information. Just to clarify. The TJ and Blair kids rarely do "original research" ... note they are not named 1st on the paper. They do internships and get their name on a paper. They neither wrote the paper, nor did the research.

Do you really think researchers would agree to put some kid's name on their paper in return for her washing out the test tubes or cleaning the rat mazes? Co-authoring a research paper is the holy grail, it can take years of work, and it can make or break whether you get tenure. Researchers don't just hand out co-authorships to high school kids like candy.

You are clueless.

You are the clueless one. There was already a thread with links to the real publications without the kids names and the link to the Intel paper with the kids names.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The fact is that 20% of MIT's freshmen are from private schools, even though private school students are only 10% of the population. So there isn't much of a case to be made that private school students are ill prepared to get in.

Such naivete. Follow the money $$$ you numb skull. What capitalistic planet are you on. Harvard's ($ 33 billion) and MIT's endowment is in the billions of dollars.
If 90% of their students were from public schools over the last 100 years do you think these institutions would have amassed fortunes worth a few countries' GDP!!!

With your absent critical thinking skills you would be rejected from the public State flagship universities!

NP. Wait, you're not really suggesting that the endowments of Harvard & MIT were built on the tuition they charge students, are you? If so, I think you might want to check your assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Poor social skills and anger management issues are some of the reasons that very smart, highly technically-qualified people never make it past project management.

And, Harvard and MIT both have need blind admissions.

[Anonymous]

NP. Wait, you're not really suggesting that the endowments of Harvard & MIT were built on the tuition they charge students, are you? If so, I think you might want to check your assumptions.

You're damn correct! Those paying full tuition with added inducement from contributions and donations from their parents and trust funds further greasing the admission process are likely to want their children and grandchildren to follow in their footsteps with further annual gifts and 5-year reunion contributions. Have you heard of the concept of legacy? Many of these exclusive private universities (think Ivy and SLAC) are made up of 10 to 20 % legacy students ... even today in this age of diversity and inclusion. Just imagine the legacy proportions in 1900s and 1950s in the era of wonton and blazon discrimination. Can you guess how many Bushes attended Yale over the last 4 generations? You can count on one hand, with the mid-finger amputated, the schools those on the New York and Boston social registers attended over the last 2 centuries!! Those tuition paying customers did build those endowments.

Your naivete betrays the fact you have never attended schools like Harvard or have acquaintances in those circles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Wait, you're not really suggesting that the endowments of Harvard & MIT were built on the tuition they charge students, are you? If so, I think you might want to check your assumptions.

You're damn correct! Those paying full tuition with added inducement from contributions and donations from their parents and trust funds further greasing the admission process are likely to want their children and grandchildren to follow in their footsteps with further annual gifts and 5-year reunion contributions. Have you heard of the concept of legacy? Many of these exclusive private universities (think Ivy and SLAC) are made up of 10 to 20 % legacy students ... even today in this age of diversity and inclusion. Just imagine the legacy proportions in 1900s and 1950s in the era of wonton and blazon discrimination. Can you guess how many Bushes attended Yale over the last 4 generations? You can count on one hand, with the mid-finger amputated, the schools those on the New York and Boston social registers attended over the last 2 centuries!! Those tuition paying customers did build those endowments.

Your naivete betrays the fact you have never attended schools like Harvard or have acquaintances in those circles.

NP here - Come on man. No need to be a jackass.

[Anonymous]

Poor social skills and anger management issues are some of the reasons that very smart, highly technically-qualified people never make it past project management.

And, Harvard and MIT both have need blind admissions.

Don't be naïve. I assure you if your last name is Bush, Roosevelt, Morgan, Gardiner, Whitney, Gates, Hess, Kennedy, Peabody, ....(and on and on) and you approach the development offices at these schools with ideas for a building of large donation both Harvard and MIT will open their eyes to fulfill their needs as their children are putting the finishing touches on their application. This is not a single or double blind randomized process!

[Anonymous]

NP here: The last I heard jackasses have more brains than donkeys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for the information. Just to clarify. The TJ and Blair kids rarely do "original research" ... note they are not named 1st on the paper. They do internships and get their name on a paper. They neither wrote the paper, nor did the research.

Do you really think researchers would agree to put some kid's name on their paper in return for her washing out the test tubes or cleaning the rat mazes? Co-authoring a research paper is the holy grail, it can take years of work, and it can make or break whether you get tenure. Researchers don't just hand out co-authorships to high school kids like candy.

You are clueless.

You are the clueless one. There was already a thread with links to the real publications without the kids names and the link to the Intel paper with the kids names.

Huh? This contradicts your own point about kids getting easy authorship in peer-reviewed journals. You are letting your hatred of public schools cloud your sanity.