What is the best strategy to fight ISIL/Al Qaeda/Taliban/Boko Haram/Al-Shabaab etc

[Anonymous]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/isis-deal-syria_n_5814128.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

For the first time, I feel like this foreign policy of this county is in over its head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/isis-deal-syria_n_5814128.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

For the first time, I feel like this foreign policy of this county is in over its head.

For the first time??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Interesting clip. Bill Maher explains to Charlie Rose why Islam is not the same as other religions. He points out the 82% of Muslims believe that stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. While Maher himself is agnostic, he has some valid points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjInNxIwfRw
maher hates religion.

Well yeah, duh. But Maher ESPECIALLY hates Islam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disenfranchised people may be drawn into extremist groups because of political, economic and/or social disparity. Bombings and anti-Islamic rhetoric only feed into that.

If I were to propose a method to reduce the threat I would look at oil. In particular the Black Oil Market. As long as counties like Turkey accept black market oil from terrorist groups terrorism will be funded.

This, this, this!!!!

Politically and economically disenfranchised young people are VERY vulnerable to being drawn into extremist groups, or sometimes, as in Sandy Hook, acting out on their own.
Take a look at the kind of people who join white supremacist groups, or Incels, and other fringe types here in the U.S.
The all have some kind of political or social rhetoric, just like the Islamic extremists, but it really comes down to economics and disenfranchisement.
The difference is, Stormfront types know that they would be squashed in an instant if they actually tried to pull any sh*t.
Different situation in the Middle East.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Interesting clip. Bill Maher explains to Charlie Rose why Islam is not the same as other religions. He points out the 82% of Muslims believe that stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. While Maher himself is agnostic, he has some valid points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjInNxIwfRw
maher hates religion.

Well yeah, duh. But Maher ESPECIALLY hates Islam.

The poll was of Egyptians, and the rest of his comments are about Saudis and ISIS. They represent a tiny fraction of Islam, but Maher incorrectly makes them out to be representative of Islam. Can you imagine what a Jordanian would say to all of this? How about Indonesia, the world's largest muslim population?

[Anonymous]

US stops excusing Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is also relevant is why we seem to see much more in the way of extremism among Muslims over the past several decades.

For example, the first major act of terrorism that I recall which caught the attention of the world was during the Munich Olympics in 1972.

So terrorism/extremism among Muslims is not something that has always been around.

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That is because the Middle Easterners now have the economic power to fight back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is also relevant is why we seem to see much more in the way of extremism among Muslims over the past several decades.

For example, the first major act of terrorism that I recall which caught the attention of the world was during the Munich Olympics in 1972.

So terrorism/extremism among Muslims is not something that has always been around.

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That is because the Middle Easterners now have the economic power to fight back.

How much money does it take to blow up a bus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is also relevant is why we seem to see much more in the way of extremism among Muslims over the past several decades.

For example, the first major act of terrorism that I recall which caught the attention of the world was during the Munich Olympics in 1972.

So terrorism/extremism among Muslims is not something that has always been around.

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That is because the Middle Easterners now have the economic power to fight back.

How much money does it take to blow up a bus?

not much, I hear the widow does not get an inheritance and is a ward of the state. It is a Muslim thing. Because they value women and all.

[Anonymous]

Like the Saudi system’s operators, the newly established jihadi state’s tyrants interpret and use the Quran and the Shariah as a lethal tool to justify their beheading spree, destruction of shrines and sanctuaries they consider un-Islamic (according to their interpretation) and to reduce their opponents to subhuman levels. Instilling fear of religious and political authorities in peoples’ hearts and minds as the best means of control is not new to Islamic movements, such as Salafi Wahhabism.

It’s paradoxical that the Saudi religious and political rulers decry the barbarity of the Islamic State (IS) terrorists at a time when they themselves beheaded 17 people in a two week period in Saudi Arabia. Don’t the Saudi autocrats understand that their actions not only send a green light to those who are in the business of killing, but render the Saudi Salafi practitioners scorned hypocrites in the eyes of their people and other Muslims and non-Muslims? IS and other homicidal groups use Saudi Arabia as a role model to justify their savagery. After all, Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Islam, home to its holiest shrines and is ruled by self-proclaimed (“Custodians of the Holy Mosques”) leaders of the Muslim world.

It’s being argued that the homicidal operatives of the newly established Islamic State, IS, are an extension of the 18th century’s Saudi/Wahhabi religious and ethnic cleansing movement. Both claim that they are following in the 6th century “Dark Age” footsteps of Prophet Mohammed, “purifying” people by converting them to Salafi (original) Islam and eliminating those who refuse. Given this history, how do those (Muslims and some non-Muslims) who continue to insist that Islam is a non-violent religion explain IS’s actions-the rampant enslavement and rape of mostly non-Muslim women and burying their husbands and sons alive-to those who argue that Islam has been a repressive and violent religion from its inception?

Additionally, critics, including increasing numbers of Muslims, argue that Muslims’ actions, as exemplified by the current butchery in Arab countries, continue to prove that Islam is inherently incompatible with peaceful co-existence, freedom of expression, respect for human rights and for the individual’s right to choose.

It’s deceitfully ironic that some of the most outspoken critics of IS are the Saudi Mufti, the highest religious authority and King Abdullah. The Saudi Mufti declared recently that the IS is Islam’s “enemy number one,” when in reality IS’s policies and practices are identical to those of the Wahhabi movement whose philosophy forms the basis of the Saudi state.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Like the Saudi system’s operators, the newly established jihadi state’s tyrants interpret and use the Quran and the Shariah as a lethal tool to justify their beheading spree, destruction of shrines and sanctuaries they consider un-Islamic (according to their interpretation) and to reduce their opponents to subhuman levels. Instilling fear of religious and political authorities in peoples’ hearts and minds as the best means of control is not new to Islamic movements, such as Salafi Wahhabism.

I am tempted to delete your post because it is obviously not your words. If you want to quote a source, please provide an acknowledgement of that source and, if possible, a link to it. Simply copying and pasting another's work in this manner is plagiarism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we rid the earth of Islamic Extremists?

I think it's the wrong question. To me the question is how do we ensure that extremists find no purchase in Muslim lands?

First let me say that I can't speak to the African groups. But taking ISIL, Al Qaeda, and Taliban, the driving factor is not religion but political representation and independence from foreign control, aspirations that are held by a wide population. The extremists build their ranks by picking off the worst from these populations, and they move through territory because the people don't like them but won't and can't fight them.

In the long run, the answer to the extremists is to address the political concerns of the general population. Then they can find no purchase within the people.

This sounds right.

Agreed. But those countries have to participate - we cannot force decent government upon them, as our whole filthy history in Iraq has shown. Read this excellent piece by Tom Friedman in this weekend's NYT - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/opinion/sunday/thomas-l-friedman-obamas-strategy-for-fighting-isis-isnt-all-about-us.html?action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&module=MostEmailed&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like the Saudi system’s operators, the newly established jihadi state’s tyrants interpret and use the Quran and the Shariah as a lethal tool to justify their beheading spree, destruction of shrines and sanctuaries they consider un-Islamic (according to their interpretation) and to reduce their opponents to subhuman levels. Instilling fear of religious and political authorities in peoples’ hearts and minds as the best means of control is not new to Islamic movements, such as Salafi Wahhabism.

I am tempted to delete your post because it is obviously not your words. If you want to quote a source, please provide an acknowledgement of that source and, if possible, a link to it. Simply copying and pasting another's work in this manner is plagiarism.

Not the person who posted above - the source was easy to find....
http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/is-deviants-wahhabism-383/

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like the Saudi system’s operators, the newly established jihadi state’s tyrants interpret and use the Quran and the Shariah as a lethal tool to justify their beheading spree, destruction of shrines and sanctuaries they consider un-Islamic (according to their interpretation) and to reduce their opponents to subhuman levels. Instilling fear of religious and political authorities in peoples’ hearts and minds as the best means of control is not new to Islamic movements, such as Salafi Wahhabism.

I am tempted to delete your post because it is obviously not your words. If you want to quote a source, please provide an acknowledgement of that source and, if possible, a link to it. Simply copying and pasting another's work in this manner is plagiarism.

LOL I thought the same thing (not the poster ) so I went and found it, I think:
http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/is-deviants-wahhabism-383/
written by the Center for Democracy in Saudi Arabi
http://www.cdhr.info/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disenfranchised people may be drawn into extremist groups because of political, economic and/or social disparity. Bombings and anti-Islamic rhetoric only feed into that.

If I were to propose a method to reduce the threat I would look at oil. In particular the Black Oil Market. As long as counties like Turkey accept black market oil from terrorist groups terrorism will be funded.

This, this, this!!!!

Politically and economically disenfranchised young people are VERY vulnerable to being drawn into extremist groups, or sometimes, as in Sandy Hook, acting out on their own.
Take a look at the kind of people who join white supremacist groups, or Incels, and other fringe types here in the U.S.
The all have some kind of political or social rhetoric, just like the Islamic extremists, but it really comes down to economics and disenfranchisement.
The difference is, Stormfront types know that they would be squashed in an instant if they actually tried to pull any sh*t.
Different situation in the Middle East.

agreed.