Who will stop Israel?

[Anonymous]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/soldiers_terrorists_charge_idf_soldiers_holding_babies.html

Then there is this nugget.

Summary...IDF soldiers report Palestinian children are being sent into the streets with firearms to shoot at the IDF. Additionally a Palestinian was observed with a baby in his arm and a firearm in his other firing at the IDF.

If true this is exactly the kind of thing that refutes any attempt at a moral equivalence between the two sides in this conflict. These dirtbags from Hamas need to die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fine to talk about the gradual change of heart towards Israel, but what difference has it made to those being massacred in Palestine. The worlds sympathy is not enough. We need action. The world has been silent for too long. We all know about AIPAC and the US, what the hell is the matter with Europe and the UN?

[b]

1940's holocaust guilt.

Or that the blame is on Hamas and despite the civilian casualties, Israel is acting appropriately within its rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fine to talk about the gradual change of heart towards Israel, but what difference has it made to those being massacred in Palestine. The worlds sympathy is not enough. We need action. The world has been silent for too long. We all know about AIPAC and the US, what the hell is the matter with Europe and the UN?

[b]

1940's holocaust guilt.

Or that the blame is on Hamas and despite the civilian casualties, Israel is acting appropriately within its rights.

Some day the statute of limitations on letting Israel do whatever it wants will expire, and it won't be pretty for those who've allowed their fascist government to murder so many innocent men, women and children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fine to talk about the gradual change of heart towards Israel, but what difference has it made to those being massacred in Palestine. The worlds sympathy is not enough. We need action. The world has been silent for too long. We all know about AIPAC and the US, what the hell is the matter with Europe and the UN?

[b]

1940's holocaust guilt.

Or that the blame is on Hamas and despite the civilian casualties, Israel is acting appropriately within its rights.

Some day the statute of limitations on letting Israel do whatever it wants will expire, and it won't be pretty for those who've allowed their fascist government to murder so many innocent men, women and children.

And hopefully it never happens, but if and when the terrorists start shooting down rockets on your hometown and civilians, you can choose to react as you see fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fine to talk about the gradual change of heart towards Israel, but what difference has it made to those being massacred in Palestine. The worlds sympathy is not enough. We need action. The world has been silent for too long. We all know about AIPAC and the US, what the hell is the matter with Europe and the UN?

[b]

1940's holocaust guilt.

Or that the blame is on Hamas and despite the civilian casualties, Israel is acting appropriately within its rights.

Some day the statute of limitations on letting Israel do whatever it wants will expire, and it won't be pretty for those who've allowed their fascist government to murder so many innocent men, women and children.

I think you need to look up the definition of the word "fascist"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is fine to talk about the gradual change of heart towards Israel, but what difference has it made to those being massacred in Palestine. The worlds sympathy is not enough. We need action. The world has been silent for too long. We all know about AIPAC and the US, what the hell is the matter with Europe and the UN?

[b]

1940's holocaust guilt.

Or that the blame is on Hamas and despite the civilian casualties, Israel is acting appropriately within its rights.

Some day the statute of limitations on letting Israel do whatever it wants will expire, and it won't be pretty for those who've allowed their fascist government to murder so many innocent men, women and children.

I think you need to look up the definition of the word "fascist"

Would "fascist theocracy" be more accurate?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-evolution-towards-a-fascist-racist-state/5359389

[Anonymous]

Now Israel is shelling a UN-run SCHOOL in Gaza that was a shelter???

My God. How truly and utterly despicable Israel has become.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now Israel is shelling a UN-run SCHOOL in Gaza that was a shelter???

My God. How truly and utterly despicable Israel has become.

Did you miss the part about the UN discovering rockets hidden in their schools and the UN so graciously returning those rockets back to Hamas? And thats the schools were vacant? but go ahead, keep believing the Hamas propoganda - thats really helpful to the Gazans.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-un-agency-discovers-hamas-rockets-between-schools-hosting-3000-palestinians-1457915

[Anonymous]

Hamas dumass

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:
The last several posts have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. But, as so often happens, the defenders of Israel are simply justifying the killing of Palestinians civilians, especially children.

The disparity in the death toll and the fact that the vast majority of Palestinian deaths have been civilians undermines nearly every claim made by the apologists for the Israelis. The Israelis claim to be targeting military targets. Hamas makes the same claim. I don't think either of them should be believed, but look at the results: Israel has killed mostly civilians including a large number of children. Hamas has killed mostly soldiers -- in fact, killing only two civilians.

The Israeli tactics are based on a willingness to accept Palestinian civilian deaths. These tactics are implemented knowing that Palestinian civilians will be killed. These are not humane tactics and there can be no justification for them. That explains why nearly every defense of Israel relies on the dehumanization of the Palestinians.

In response to the original poster of this thread, I don't know who will stop Israel. Israel has a strongly-held belief in the effectiveness of military strength. But, in recent years, the limits of military might have become more obvious. Israel failed in its last invasion of Lebanon and it appears that Gaza is going a similar way. At some point, perhaps Israel will realize that force is not working for it it and will chose a different path. In that case, Israel will stop Israel .


The answer is that no one will stop Israel. They are in an existential conflict. Their enemies want the country to cease to exist. Given those circumstances, they aren't going to be influenced by the "International Community" either by those nations friendly or unfriendly to them.


Israel is not God. Part of the existential conflict is that Israelis will have to decide whether they can exist without Israel. Israelis have many friends but Israel has very few, and its main patron is increasingly sick of it.


That is my point. They don't care about international opinion. A significant percentage of their population is spending their days planning what to do in case they hear an air raid siren. Think about that in terms of this country. If millions of Americans were running to bomb shelters every day, you can bet that we would not give a crap about whether or not France, Russia, and Senegal were mad that we decided to demolish our enemy. Think about this...these people get rockets launched at them, every day. So no one is going to "stop" them from trying to destroy the rockets of their enemies, not the US, not the UN, and certainly not their enemies, who intentionally put those rockets in civilian populations.


The Hamas rockets are a nuisance that inflict virtually no casualties, but they are an unpleasant reminder to Israel that the Palestinians are not happy with their treatment at the hands of Israel. So they bomb the daylights out of Gaza and make life hell for the inhabitants of the West Bank, at the same time that most Israelis go about their lives largely undisturbed. They claim not to care about international opinion, but some day there may be internationally sanctioned air strikes on Israel just like there were on Belgrade when Serbia was hell-bent on destroying Kosovo. The rest of the world can isolate Israel, which exists at the pleasure of the Americans, and wipe it off the map if it does not change its ways.

Nuisance? The only reason the death tolls are not equal is Iron Dome, and if that ever fails, hundreds of people die.


Hamas might as well be shooting off fireworks on the beach, and both Hamas and Israel know that.


I your point of view to be interesting. I don't mean that in a patronizing way.

Do you think because Hamas is relatively ineffective at making war on Israel, the Israelis should somehow only respond in some sort of proportional way? I guess that is what you are saying.

I contend that if this situation was applied to the United States, people here would think much like Israelis do now. If both Mexico and Canada were governed by people who were sworn enemies of the US and then Buffalo NY and El Paso Texas occasionally got an IED, or a rocket launched at them, killing just a few people a month wouldn't the huge majority (over 90 %) of Americans advocate miltary action to completely annihilate those governments and force regime change? Heck, Buffalo and El Paso are not big cities. The country could "absorb" a few deaths in those towns from time to time.

On 9/11/01 we had two buildings knocked down and 4 airplanes hijacked. The country was just about unanimous in supporting our military action to overthrow the Taliban who was only indirectly responsible (becuase they harbored Al Qaeda).

Israel is not going to be swayed from demolishing Hamas rockets just because Hamas puts those rockets in civilian populations. It would be a dumb thing for them to be so swayed. It is apparently smart for Hamas to do this, as it obviously impacts the view point of lots of people like you.

It is such a false argument. Israel does not want peace. Peace means giving up the Westbank and other lands. What you all fail to see is the world has changed. The US support for Israel is a cold war legacy. When that support ends, Israel will face sanction and quickly fold.

[Anonymous]

I will be happy when Israel collapses. The most arrogant group of pricks most of us have seen in our lifetimes. Netanyahu deserves to be tried for war crimes.

[Anonymous]

The IDF forces should be treated no differently than German soldiers in the death camps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/soldiers_terrorists_charge_idf_soldiers_holding_babies.html

Then there is this nugget.

Summary...IDF soldiers report Palestinian children are being sent into the streets with firearms to shoot at the IDF. Additionally a Palestinian was observed with a baby in his arm and a firearm in his other firing at the IDF.

If true this is exactly the kind of thing that refutes any attempt at a moral equivalence between the two sides in this conflict. These dirtbags from Hamas need to die.

Are you referring to the baby as a "dirtbag" as well? What do you call your snowflake at home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/soldiers_terrorists_charge_idf_soldiers_holding_babies.html

Then there is this nugget.

Summary...IDF soldiers report Palestinian children are being sent into the streets with firearms to shoot at the IDF. Additionally a Palestinian was observed with a baby in his arm and a firearm in his other firing at the IDF.

If true this is exactly the kind of thing that refutes any attempt at a moral equivalence between the two sides in this conflict. These dirtbags from Hamas need to die.

Are you referring to the baby as a "dirtbag" as well? What do you call your snowflake at home?

And what is the IDF to do when Hamas is fighting with these tactics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it wholly amusing that Americans, especially women, are supporting a terrorist group in a part of the world where women are regarded as second class citizens, and little children are routinely raped and sold off as child brides. Let's not even start on honor killings.

While I am never happy about casualties of war, the big picture to me, is much more frightening. So many Middle-Easterners here, who have lived the brutality of their countries, see the benefit of Israel's free society and have expressed grave concerns for her survival.

In typical progressive fashion, it's all about 'the feels', and not about logic.

Ladies, would you like to live in Israel or in Middle-Eastern countries that allow you no freedoms you enjoy today? How about your daughters? Do you consider honor killings and child rapes, sanctioned by the government, appealing?

As for those 'brutal Israelis', a few metro bombings, and suicide bombers in your grocery stores, etc would wake you up real fast, especially if it all came from the same people. You would not feel so benevolent anymore, if a simple trip to Giant could easily result in your death.

There is a reason why Israeli teachers carry weapons; it has become a necessity. If you think Israelis consistently and deliberately target children, you need to do a lot more reading.

I think this is BS.

Why then do SO MANY Jewish secondary schools send their seniors to Israel during their last semester? Do you think that if their trip was sprinkled with bombers in grocery stores parents would sign off?

Furthermore, if Israel is SO dangerous, why do many people make the trip year after year - with young kids in tow?

I've spoken to Jewish friends who tell me that it's a bunch of propaganda.

I am told Israelis are not living in fear. They are not suffering on a daily basis.

I have nothing good to say about Islam - absolutely nothing! So I support neither side. But I do question how Israel is painted as a war zone when I have proof from friends who visit yearly.

So let's have at it, folks. Who is willing to prove me wrong? (and prove my traveling friends wrong, too)