HARDY: Anyone know how many feeder school kids attending next yr?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And I'm not denigrating you for thinking Hardy is not good enough, I'm denigrating you for denigrating current and future students based on nothing more than where they live.

Again, not the PP you're addressing.

Get off the denigrating-because-of-where-they-live trope. It's not about where they live; it's about all of the things that are correlated with where they live. OOB is just short-hand for "less likely to be in a stable family situation; less likely to be prepared." Note that it does not mean "less likely to be intrinsically intelligent." One may believe that, but it is surely open to much more debate than the previous two correlates.

The correct response to my claim (above) about the correlates is that the OOB kids attending JKLM, Hardy, Deal, etc. are likely a self-selected bunch that scores well on the "Stable family" and "Preparedness" scales. I personally subscribe to this response (while simultaneously subscribing to the "OOB is shorthand for correlates" mantra). Now, if we start talking about lotteries and busing and what-not, then you can no longer make the self-selection argument.

[Anonymous]

People (and there are many here) who scream "Racism! Racism! Racism!" at every turn really are intellectually impaired. That they cannot consider other motivations outside of racism speaks to a lack of intellectual curiosity. That they immediately impugn the intent of others with what they suspect is their truly hidden intent speaks to an unfamiliarity with their own internal biases. That they resort to thought processes that essentially go like "Well, I know you've said repeatedly that it's not about race for you, and I know that you've provided decent arguments bolstering your claim. Nonetheless, I still think you're a racist and are hiding your true intent." speaks to an inability to formulate decent arguments.

All-in-all, they're Reverend Lovejoy's wife, deploying "Won't someone please think of the children!" whenever she has nothing convincing to put forth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or, it could be that going to a school where the majority of the kids are not well prepared is a problem for many families regardless of the race of the kids and it is not in fact code.

Exactly!! I earnestly think this is true. People calling the race card need to rethink this.

Here in the realm of hypothetical, let's say that my family lives at the eastern edge of the park. We're two professional parents, two grad gegrees, with HHI at $265K. We don't yet know the capacity of our 4 year old but he's certainly doing more than I did at his age; all the indicators, and certainly our expectations, point to academic success. We think diversity helps build character that leads to that success and think it can be found along with academic rigor--at least, that's what we're seeking. We'd LOVE to be able to walk to his school, but like every other committed, involved and researching parent on this forum we're condidering all options.

We're attracted to Hearst for PK because it seems to have all the elements we want, along with a principal who "has a vision." With the boundary discussions hinting that Hearst would feed into Hardy, I'm naturally curious about what's going on there.

I'll withhold my race, since so many say its irrelevant, but if the "vision" is pretty much about eliminating OOB kids (supported by DCPS and a Council member!) and that's what the IB community wants as well, I'm thinking my kid would not be welcome. Along with all the other emotional upheaval that happens in the middle school years, maybe the stigma of our OOB address would create behavioral problems that would detract from whatever quality the school offers eight years from now.

Is there some way I should rethink this?

Who exactly is saying this? Eaton is closer to Hardy than Hearst is. Eaton is closer to Hardy than it is to Deal. Hearst isn't though, Hearst really is closer to Deal.

I don't think anyone is. Hardy sounds like it is in the upswing, so maybe it would be fine either way, but Eaton and Oyster are closer to Hardy then Hearst.

Eaton really should feed Hardy: it's closer for the IB families, and it's better for Hardy to have another strong feeder school. Oyster students should have the choice between Adams (if they want to continue their Spanish) and Hardy (if they don't). There's just no good reason for either of them to feed Deal.

Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

The other school that should feed to Hardy is Ross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't manufactured anything. The entire thread is premised on eliminating OOB students from the school.

I went back and skimmed again but, nope, no other factors were considered for its trajectory.

Well, PP, if the plan is to make Hardy a neighborhood school, then there will be no room for OOB kids, except for those who come from feeder schools.

Here is the enrollment data for 3rd to 5th grade at the five Hardy feeders from the 2012-2013 enrollment audit:

Eaton 61 77 43
Hyde 47 45 32
Key 60 55 29
Mann 40 36 24
Stoddert 47 44 34
255 257 162

Note the drop in enrollment from 4th to 5th grade at Hardy feeders as families flee for charters and privates. A Hardy turn-around would mean that the majority of those 257 4th graders would stay at their schools for 5th grade and move on to Hardy for 6th grade.

The same enrollment audit show the following for 6th, 7th and 8th for Hardy that year:

Hardy 131 129 144 (404 total)

There's little reason for Hardy to be under-enrolled since it is majority OOB, so let's suppose that the capacity at Hardy is 135 students per grade.

So, even if only a little more than half of the 257 4th graders at Hardy feeders enroll in Hardy two years later, they will fill the school to capacity. If significantly more than half of those 4th graders enroll, Hardy will be so over-enrolled that the Filmore Arts Center will have to find a new home or part of the sports field will be used for trailers.

A Hardy turn-around implies eliminating OOB kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other school that should feed to Hardy is Ross.

What does Ross feed now?

[Anonymous]

Cardozo EC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cardozo EC

Ross is assigned to feed to Cardozo, which is like saying it feeds to nowhere, so it really feeds to Basis & Latin, and has very few 5th graders.

[Anonymous]

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Ross is assigned to feed to Cardozo, which is like saying it feeds to nowhere, so it really feeds to Basis & Latin, and has very few 5th graders.

So, Brent, basically. (no pun intended)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other school that should feed to Hardy is Ross.

Ross should really feed Francis-Stevens, since most of Dupont is already in-boundary for that school. At 60 kids per grade for MS that would cover most of the kids of that age in Foggy Bottom / Dupont / West End.

Of course there's still a high school problem, since FS feeds to Cardozo for HS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The other school that should feed to Hardy is Ross.

Ross should really feed Francis-Stevens, since most of Dupont is already in-boundary for that school. At 60 kids per grade for MS that would cover most of the kids of that age in Foggy Bottom / Dupont / West End.

Of course there's still a high school problem, since FS feeds to Cardozo for HS.

Francis-Stevens should become the DC-wide, test-in middle school that everyone except DCPS knows should be happening.

[Anonymous]

Agreed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't manufactured anything. The entire thread is premised on eliminating OOB students from the school.

I went back and skimmed again but, nope, no other factors were considered for its trajectory.

Well, PP, if the plan is to make Hardy a neighborhood school, then there will be no room for OOB kids, except for those who come from feeder schools.

Here is the enrollment data for 3rd to 5th grade at the five Hardy feeders from the 2012-2013 enrollment audit:

Eaton 61 77 43
Hyde 47 45 32
Key 60 55 29
Mann 40 36 24
Stoddert 47 44 34
255 257 162

Note the drop in enrollment from 4th to 5th grade at Hardy feeders as families flee for charters and privates. A Hardy turn-around would mean that the majority of those 257 4th graders would stay at their schools for 5th grade and move on to Hardy for 6th grade.

The same enrollment audit show the following for 6th, 7th and 8th for Hardy that year:

Hardy 131 129 144 (404 total)

There's little reason for Hardy to be under-enrolled since it is majority OOB, so let's suppose that the capacity at Hardy is 135 students per grade.

So, even if only a little more than half of the 257 4th graders at Hardy feeders enroll in Hardy two years later, they will fill the school to capacity. If significantly more than half of those 4th graders enroll, Hardy will be so over-enrolled that the Filmore Arts Center will have to find a new home or part of the sports field will be used for trailers.

A Hardy turn-around implies eliminating OOB kids.

Eaton feeds into Deal, not Hardy, and it loses virtually the same percentage of children after 4th grade as Mann (feeding into Hardy) does.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they planned that with the walls connection? But yes a great idea

[Anonymous]

Eaton has a choice of both.