HARDY: Anyone know how many feeder school kids attending next yr?

[Anonymous]

Yes, francis-stevens is located (geographically and otherwise) in a good position for getting some well-deserved MS enhancement attention

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Eaton feeds into Deal, not Hardy, and it loses virtually the same percentage of children after 4th grade as Mann (feeding into Hardy) does.

Not according to the DCPS feeder locator and the Hardy MS web site. Perhaps that's why it looses so many 4th graders.

Welcome to the DCPS Feeder School Locator
To identify the DCPS Feeder schools you may attend: Select either name of the DCPS school your child currently attends, OR the name of the elementary or middle school in whose boundary you live. Then click the Find Now button.


The DCPS feeder school(s) your child may attend by right is:
Type School Name Address Grade start Grade end
MS Hardy Middle School 1819 35th St. NW
Washington DC 6 8
In addition, all students who successfully complete 5th grade at Eaton in school year 2009-2010 will have a right to attend Deal Middle School in school year 2010-2011.

You also have an assigned school based on your address.
Find out here: http://dcatlas.dcgis.dc.gov/schools/


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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Eaton feeds into Deal, not Hardy, and it loses virtually the same percentage of children after 4th grade as Mann (feeding into Hardy) does.

Not according to the DCPS feeder locator and the Hardy MS web site. Perhaps that's why it looses so many 4th graders.

Welcome to the DCPS Feeder School Locator
To identify the DCPS Feeder schools you may attend: Select either name of the DCPS school your child currently attends, OR the name of the elementary or middle school in whose boundary you live. Then click the Find Now button.


The DCPS feeder school(s) your child may attend by right is:
Type School Name Address Grade start Grade end
MS Hardy Middle School 1819 35th St. NW
Washington DC 6 8
In addition, all students who successfully complete 5th grade at Eaton in school year 2009-2010 will have a right to attend Deal Middle School in school year 2010-2011.

You also have an assigned school based on your address.
Find out here: http://dcatlas.dcgis.dc.gov/schools/


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It feeds into both. Students have the option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It feeds into both. Students have the option.

What's the point? Does anyone choose Hardy over Deal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, francis-stevens is located (geographically and otherwise) in a good position for getting some well-deserved MS enhancement attention

Yep. All you'd have to do is set "proficient" in Math and English as a prerequisite for entry; after that, it's a lottery. Every competent kid in the city would have a shot. F-S would become the best middle school in DC overnight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I'm not denigrating you for thinking Hardy is not good enough, I'm denigrating you for denigrating current and future students based on nothing more than where they live.

Again, not the PP you're addressing.

Get off the denigrating-because-of-where-they-live trope. It's not about where they live; it's about all of the things that are correlated with where they live. OOB is just short-hand for "less likely to be in a stable family situation; less likely to be prepared." Note that it does not mean "less likely to be intrinsically intelligent." One may believe that, but it is surely open to much more debate than the previous two correlates.

The correct response to my claim (above) about the correlates is that the OOB kids attending JKLM, Hardy, Deal, etc. are likely a self-selected bunch that scores well on the "Stable family" and "Preparedness" scales. I personally subscribe to this response (while simultaneously subscribing to the "OOB is shorthand for correlates" mantra). Now, if we start talking about lotteries and busing and what-not, then you can no longer make the self-selection argument.

I've tried several different approaches--studiously avoiding race--to explaining my quandary and query as a potential OOB parent. Here it is in a nutshell: If my child is OOB at one of Hardy's feeder schools--that is, attending school west of the park from Pre-K through 5th grade, is he going to have the challenge of OOB stigma attached to him throughout? A stigma that would follow him to Hardy?

I've said nothing about his race, so you don't need to consider it in the question nor insult me further with any of your own assumptions. But please understand that if you continue with the argument that a Hardy "turnaround" can only be accomplished by eliminating OOB students (and that's the phrase used several times over) , then I've got real and justified concern about an articulated bias--not just perceived--against my child.

Capiche? If there's a way I should rethink that, please let me know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other school that should feed to Hardy is Ross.

Ross should really feed Francis-Stevens, since most of Dupont is already in-boundary for that school. At 60 kids per grade for MS that would cover most of the kids of that age in Foggy Bottom / Dupont / West End.

Of course there's still a high school problem, since FS feeds to Cardozo for HS.

Francis-Stevens should become the DC-wide, test-in middle school that everyone except DCPS knows should be happening.

Nope.

The complication with your suggestion, is that it would further concentrate the higher quality middle schools on the western end of the city. Politically, demographically, geographically, it isn't filling a void. In fact, it's creating another superfluous institution.

When and if DCPS is serious about a competitive, test-in, magnet MS, it belongs east of the river. And, strategically located (metro, bus, streetcar) for it to be attractive for wards 6 & 5.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eaton has a choice of both.

It shouldn't. It's closer to Hardy. There's no justifiable reason to maintain the connection to Deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I'm not denigrating you for thinking Hardy is not good enough, I'm denigrating you for denigrating current and future students based on nothing more than where they live.

Again, not the PP you're addressing.

Get off the denigrating-because-of-where-they-live trope. It's not about where they live; it's about all of the things that are correlated with where they live. OOB is just short-hand for "less likely to be in a stable family situation; less likely to be prepared." Note that it does not mean "less likely to be intrinsically intelligent." One may believe that, but it is surely open to much more debate than the previous two correlates.

The correct response to my claim (above) about the correlates is that the OOB kids attending JKLM, Hardy, Deal, etc. are likely a self-selected bunch that scores well on the "Stable family" and "Preparedness" scales. I personally subscribe to this response (while simultaneously subscribing to the "OOB is shorthand for correlates" mantra). Now, if we start talking about lotteries and busing and what-not, then you can no longer make the self-selection argument.

I've tried several different approaches--studiously avoiding race--to explaining my quandary and query as a potential OOB parent. Here it is in a nutshell: If my child is OOB at one of Hardy's feeder schools--that is, attending school west of the park from Pre-K through 5th grade, is he going to have the challenge of OOB stigma attached to him throughout? A stigma that would follow him to Hardy?

I've said nothing about his race, so you don't need to consider it in the question nor insult me further with any of your own assumptions. But please understand that if you continue with the argument that a Hardy "turnaround" can only be accomplished by eliminating OOB students (and that's the phrase used several times over) , then I've got real and justified concern about an articulated bias--not just perceived--against my child.

Capiche? If there's a way I should rethink that, please let me know.

Yes, it's "capische."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I'm not denigrating you for thinking Hardy is not good enough, I'm denigrating you for denigrating current and future students based on nothing more than where they live.

Again, not the PP you're addressing.

Get off the denigrating-because-of-where-they-live trope. It's not about where they live; it's about all of the things that are correlated with where they live. OOB is just short-hand for "less likely to be in a stable family situation; less likely to be prepared." Note that it does not mean "less likely to be intrinsically intelligent." One may believe that, but it is surely open to much more debate than the previous two correlates.

The correct response to my claim (above) about the correlates is that the OOB kids attending JKLM, Hardy, Deal, etc. are likely a self-selected bunch that scores well on the "Stable family" and "Preparedness" scales. I personally subscribe to this response (while simultaneously subscribing to the "OOB is shorthand for correlates" mantra). Now, if we start talking about lotteries and busing and what-not, then you can no longer make the self-selection argument.

I've tried several different approaches--studiously avoiding race--to explaining my quandary and query as a potential OOB parent. Here it is in a nutshell: If my child is OOB at one of Hardy's feeder schools--that is, attending school west of the park from Pre-K through 5th grade, is he going to have the challenge of OOB stigma attached to him throughout? A stigma that would follow him to Hardy?

I've said nothing about his race, so you don't need to consider it in the question nor insult me further with any of your own assumptions. But please understand that if you continue with the argument that a Hardy "turnaround" can only be accomplished by eliminating OOB students (and that's the phrase used several times over) , then I've got real and justified concern about an articulated bias--not just perceived--against my child.

Capiche? If there's a way I should rethink that, please let me know.

I can't speak specifically about how your kids would be treated as OOB students at Hardy. But I have two kids at Deal, where 30 percent of students are OOB. My experience is that these middle school students don't know or care where their classmates live. They care about whether their classmates are nice or mean, are well-behaved or disruptive, and are good or bad partners to work with on group projects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other school that should feed to Hardy is Ross.

Ross should really feed Francis-Stevens, since most of Dupont is already in-boundary for that school. At 60 kids per grade for MS that would cover most of the kids of that age in Foggy Bottom / Dupont / West End.

Of course there's still a high school problem, since FS feeds to Cardozo for HS.

Francis-Stevens should become the DC-wide, test-in middle school that everyone except DCPS knows should be happening.

Nope.

The complication with your suggestion, is that it would further concentrate the higher quality middle schools on the western end of the city. Politically, demographically, geographically, it isn't filling a void. In fact, it's creating another superfluous institution.

When and if DCPS is serious about a competitive, test-in, magnet MS, it belongs east of the river. And, strategically located (metro, bus, streetcar) for it to be attractive for wards 6 & 5.

Oh, I see. DCPS should avoid doing the obvious thing with a piece of partially vacant property it owns because the feelings of some parents will be hurt. Many of those same parents are already trucking their kids to the other side of the city in search of more proficient student peers, but why in the world create an even better option when their feelings might be hurt. Makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Fillmore should move out of Hardy so 100 middle school spaces can be added. It won't be long before Eaton only feeds to Hardy. Hardy has a ton of potential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And I'm not denigrating you for thinking Hardy is not good enough, I'm denigrating you for denigrating current and future students based on nothing more than where they live.

Again, not the PP you're addressing.

Get off the denigrating-because-of-where-they-live trope. It's not about where they live; it's about all of the things that are correlated with where they live. OOB is just short-hand for "less likely to be in a stable family situation; less likely to be prepared." Note that it does not mean "less likely to be intrinsically intelligent." One may believe that, but it is surely open to much more debate than the previous two correlates.

The correct response to my claim (above) about the correlates is that the OOB kids attending JKLM, Hardy, Deal, etc. are likely a self-selected bunch that scores well on the "Stable family" and "Preparedness" scales. I personally subscribe to this response (while simultaneously subscribing to the "OOB is shorthand for correlates" mantra). Now, if we start talking about lotteries and busing and what-not, then you can no longer make the self-selection argument.

I've tried several different approaches--studiously avoiding race--to explaining my quandary and query as a potential OOB parent. Here it is in a nutshell: If my child is OOB at one of Hardy's feeder schools--that is, attending school west of the park from Pre-K through 5th grade, is he going to have the challenge of OOB stigma attached to him throughout? A stigma that would follow him to Hardy?

I've said nothing about his race, so you don't need to consider it in the question nor insult me further with any of your own assumptions. But please understand that if you continue with the argument that a Hardy "turnaround" can only be accomplished by eliminating OOB students (and that's the phrase used several times over) , then I've got real and justified concern about an articulated bias--not just perceived--against my child.

Capiche? If there's a way I should rethink that, please let me know.

I can't speak specifically about how your kids would be treated as OOB students at Hardy. But I have two kids at Deal, where 30 percent of students are OOB. My experience is that these middle school students don't know or care where their classmates live. They care about whether their classmates are nice or mean, are well-behaved or disruptive, and are good or bad partners to work with on group projects.

That's super.

Of course, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other school that should feed to Hardy is Ross.

Ross should really feed Francis-Stevens, since most of Dupont is already in-boundary for that school. At 60 kids per grade for MS that would cover most of the kids of that age in Foggy Bottom / Dupont / West End.

Of course there's still a high school problem, since FS feeds to Cardozo for HS.

Francis-Stevens should become the DC-wide, test-in middle school that everyone except DCPS knows should be happening.

Nope.

The complication with your suggestion, is that it would further concentrate the higher quality middle schools on the western end of the city. Politically, demographically, geographically, it isn't filling a void. In fact, it's creating another superfluous institution.

When and if DCPS is serious about a competitive, test-in, magnet MS, it belongs east of the river. And, strategically located (metro, bus, streetcar) for it to be attractive for wards 6 & 5.

Oh, I see. DCPS should avoid doing the obvious thing with a piece of partially vacant property it owns because the feelings of some parents will be hurt. Many of those same parents are already trucking their kids to the other side of the city in search of more proficient student peers, but why in the world create an even better option when their feelings might be hurt. Makes sense.

DCPS already did the obvious thing - a few years ago. Stevens was promised to a special education school, hopefully to bring some private placements back into the city. Your view of DCPS's needs is obviously short-sighted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It feeds into both. Students have the option.

What's the point? Does anyone choose Hardy over Deal?

Are you kidding? If the academic offerings were commensurate it's a no-brainer. Obviously Hardy would be preferable to Deal. Deal has, what - 1,200 students or so? It is middle school, yet larger than the entire freshman class at my Ivy League. No thank you.