Majority percent of Asians at the Elementary school, a good thing right?

[Anonymous]

So, discrimination in favor of whites is ok and legal but discrimination against white is not ok and illegal under the same legal system. That is a double standard. Where is the "Equal protection under the law"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, discrimination in favor of whites is ok and legal but discrimination against white is not ok and illegal under the same legal system. That is a double standard. Where is the "Equal protection under the law"?

are you talking about legacies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are looking around and noticed one of the elementary schools has a majority Asian population.

Can anyone share insight into any issues with other minorities or Caucasian students?

One more question, does Asian also mean Indian or does it typically mean Chinese, Japanese, etc...

No elementary schools in the City of Alexandria or Arlington County are majority Asian. There are four ES in Fairfax County that are majority Asian - Floris, Greenbriar West, McNair and Powell. The Asian-American students at those schools are mostly Korean, Chinese and Indian. Not many Japanese live in NoVa. There are a lot of Vietnamese, but they mostly live further east, in schools that are majority or plurality Hispanic like Crestwood in Springfield.

Not sure about Loudoun. There might be a few majority-Asian ES there as well; if so, the students also likely would be mostly Korean, Chinese and Indian.
The main issue that seems to come up from time to time is that, at a school like GBW that has an AAP center, some non-Asian students in the General Education classes feel like second-class citizens, or at least their parents do. I do think it has led to some white flight to parts of Loudoun where the AAP/Gen Ed divide isn't as big an issue.

You make a lot of assumptions.

Loudoun is overwhelmingly dominated by Indian. There are quite a few just about all indian schools in Ashburn and practically all Indian communities. There is hardly a Korean or Chinese in sight.

I would not send my child to an all Indian school. I've seen how most Indian parents are narrowly focused on the classical rigors of academics. They pressure the teachers. I prefer a more rounded environment, where there is also focus on social skills, exercise, and arts.

Flame away. Don't care. When it comes to my kids, they will only get the best as I see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are looking around and noticed one of the elementary schools has a majority Asian population.

Can anyone share insight into any issues with other minorities or Caucasian students?

One more question, does Asian also mean Indian or does it typically mean Chinese, Japanese, etc...

No elementary schools in the City of Alexandria or Arlington County are majority Asian. There are four ES in Fairfax County that are majority Asian - Floris, Greenbriar West, McNair and Powell. The Asian-American students at those schools are mostly Korean, Chinese and Indian. Not many Japanese live in NoVa. There are a lot of Vietnamese, but they mostly live further east, in schools that are majority or plurality Hispanic like Crestwood in Springfield.

Not sure about Loudoun. There might be a few majority-Asian ES there as well; if so, the students also likely would be mostly Korean, Chinese and Indian.
The main issue that seems to come up from time to time is that, at a school like GBW that has an AAP center, some non-Asian students in the General Education classes feel like second-class citizens, or at least their parents do. I do think it has led to some white flight to parts of Loudoun where the AAP/Gen Ed divide isn't as big an issue.

You make a lot of assumptions.

Loudoun is overwhelmingly dominated by Indian. There are quite a few just about all indian schools in Ashburn and practically all Indian communities. There is hardly a Korean or Chinese in sight.

I would not send my child to an all Indian school. I've seen how most Indian parents are narrowly focused on the classical rigors of academics. They pressure the teachers. I prefer a more rounded environment, where there is also focus on social skills, exercise, and arts.

Flame away. Don't care. When it comes to my kids, they will only get the best as I see it.

So Indians also focus on academics? Sounds like a win!

[Anonymous]

to be fair, our majority asian and indian school seems to have a LOT of extracurriculars that are academically based and not as much fun, active stuff. So, maybe that is a downside. However, I think we are trying to move away from that, so it doesn't HAVE to be that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are looking around and noticed one of the elementary schools has a majority Asian population.

Can anyone share insight into any issues with other minorities or Caucasian students?

One more question, does Asian also mean Indian or does it typically mean Chinese, Japanese, etc...

No elementary schools in the City of Alexandria or Arlington County are majority Asian. There are four ES in Fairfax County that are majority Asian - Floris, Greenbriar West, McNair and Powell. The Asian-American students at those schools are mostly Korean, Chinese and Indian. Not many Japanese live in NoVa. There are a lot of Vietnamese, but they mostly live further east, in schools that are majority or plurality Hispanic like Crestwood in Springfield.

Not sure about Loudoun. There might be a few majority-Asian ES there as well; if so, the students also likely would be mostly Korean, Chinese and Indian.
The main issue that seems to come up from time to time is that, at a school like GBW that has an AAP center, some non-Asian students in the General Education classes feel like second-class citizens, or at least their parents do. I do think it has led to some white flight to parts of Loudoun where the AAP/Gen Ed divide isn't as big an issue.

You make a lot of assumptions.

Loudoun is overwhelmingly dominated by Indian. There are quite a few just about all indian schools in Ashburn and practically all Indian communities. There is hardly a Korean or Chinese in sight.

I would not send my child to an all Indian school. I've seen how most Indian parents are narrowly focused on the classical rigors of academics. They pressure the teachers. I prefer a more rounded environment, where there is also focus on social skills, exercise, and arts.

Flame away. Don't care. When it comes to my kids, they will only get the best as I see it.

The Asian population in Loudoun generallly, and in Ashburn specifically, is mostly Asian Indian. But there are other Asians, and the growing Korean population is concentrated in the South Riding area west of Centreville.

So if there is "hardly a Korean or Chinese in sight" in your part of Loudoun, that only means you haven't been to other parts of the county.

[Anonymous]

I'm confused, my kids are mixed race. Which side of the equation do you want us on?

Do you want us to be white or Asian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, my kids are mixed race. Which side of the equation do you want us on?

Do you want us to be white or Asian?

Ask FCPS. They're the ones who collect this data. Might have a box for "other."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, my kids are mixed race. Which side of the equation do you want us on?

Do you want us to be white or Asian?

Ask FCPS. They're the ones who collect this data. Might have a box for "other."

Uh, other jurisdictions do so as well, pursuant to federal law.

Some kids are indeed reported as Multiracial. My kids are also mixed race and I don't know who decides whether they are reported as white, Asian, or Multiracial. Actually, some people think my Asian spouse looks Hispanic, so that may be a possibility as well.

[Anonymous]

Yes, Asian Americans value education highly, more so than other racial groups. However, the United States is a melting pot society. I believe that my parents placed too much pressure on me to succeed in school. I do not wish to raise my children in the same way... but I MUST because an Asian college applicant is judged on how he performs with respect to other Asians and not other people.

Insulating groups from competition never yields good results. Insulating Asians (who currently place significantly more pressure on their children with respect to schools) from competition from others racial/ethnic groups (and vice versa) through affirmative action will only serve to perpetuate stereotypes by CAUSING Asians to be "overly competitive." If you were a high school student of Asian decent wanting to go to a top 20 school, wouldn't you spend all your time on maintaining a 4.00 GPA and trying to get a perfect SAT score after seeing the data points year after year demonstrating discrimination against Asians?

Also, need I remind you of discrimination against Asians in the workplace?

Yes, Asians have average incomes that are higher than that of whites. But this is because Asians are much more likely to be 1099ed as opposed to W2ed (more risk more average profit) and because Asians work more hours than whites. Do you really think Asians are well represented in the corporate world? Obviously not. Do you really think that Asians want to graduate college and work for their parents in their nail salons, Chinese restaurants, or dry cleaners? Obviously not. Do you really think discrimination against Asians in academia doesn't translate to the professional realm? Obviously not.

Being able to say "I went to a good university" is the one of the only things an Asian-American can say that will help them break into the high paying world (of medicine, engineering, corporations, or wherever). We do not have friends and family with big-time connections. We also look different and are subject to our own stereotypes. For instance, Asians in entertainment (movies) today play the same role as little people did in Medieval times--we are something to be laughed at. We need to make it on our own. The only way to demonstrate that we are "qualified" is to go to a good school. Unlike blacks and Hispanics, there is no sympathy towards Asians. The presumption is that all Asians are well-off and don't need help.

People like to say that Asians should value test scores less and their "well-roundedness" more. However, how do you expect us to value test-scores less, when year after year admissions officers require more from us than any other group. And if the method is truly "holistic", is there anyone here on this blog that believes that if the last names and the race identifying information were redacted from applications, the number of Asians at the top schools would remain the same?

Lastly, I hear a lot of "fairness" arguments such as African Americans being disadvantaged because of the atrocities of the past deserve help. Albeit this is true. Who committed and benefited from these atrocities? Whites or Asians? Its Whites. But who pays for the cost of affirmative action at top schools? Asians and only
Asians.

If you do not believe me, take a looks a UCLA and Berkeley's admissions over the past 20 years (after prop 209--no affirmative action bill). The percentage of Asians at these schools back in the early 90s were about 17%, today (without Affirmative Action) Asians make up over 40% of the student body. At comparable private schools Asians have remained at about 17% of the student body for the past 20 years, despite the college aged population more than doubling.

Finally, is it fair to help a wealthy African American or Hispanic applicant over a underprivileged Asian? The answer is NO. In America people who are born rich die rich, and people born poor, die poor (no matter the color of your skin). Black or not, if you are rich, fairness should mandate you receive no help.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, my kids are mixed race. Which side of the equation do you want us on?

Do you want us to be white or Asian?

Ask FCPS. They're the ones who collect this data. Might have a box for "other."

I've asked. They won't answer. Some forms have other, some multi, why does anyone care. How about "who cares"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Asian Americans value education highly, more so than other racial groups. However, the United States is a melting pot society. I believe that my parents placed too much pressure on me to succeed in school. I do not wish to raise my children in the same way... but I MUST because an Asian college applicant is judged on how he performs with respect to other Asians and not other people.

Insulating groups from competition never yields good results. Insulating Asians (who currently place significantly more pressure on their children with respect to schools) from competition from others racial/ethnic groups (and vice versa) through affirmative action will only serve to perpetuate stereotypes by CAUSING Asians to be "overly competitive." If you were a high school student of Asian decent wanting to go to a top 20 school, wouldn't you spend all your time on maintaining a 4.00 GPA and trying to get a perfect SAT score after seeing the data points year after year demonstrating discrimination against Asians?

Also, need I remind you of discrimination against Asians in the workplace?

Yes, Asians have average incomes that are higher than that of whites. But this is because Asians are much more likely to be 1099ed as opposed to W2ed (more risk more average profit) and because Asians work more hours than whites. Do you really think Asians are well represented in the corporate world? Obviously not. Do you really think that Asians want to graduate college and work for their parents in their nail salons, Chinese restaurants, or dry cleaners? Obviously not. Do you really think discrimination against Asians in academia doesn't translate to the professional realm? Obviously not.

Being able to say "I went to a good university" is the one of the only things an Asian-American can say that will help them break into the high paying world (of medicine, engineering, corporations, or wherever). We do not have friends and family with big-time connections. We also look different and are subject to our own stereotypes. For instance, Asians in entertainment (movies) today play the same role as little people did in Medieval times--we are something to be laughed at. We need to make it on our own. The only way to demonstrate that we are "qualified" is to go to a good school. Unlike blacks and Hispanics, there is no sympathy towards Asians. The presumption is that all Asians are well-off and don't need help.

People like to say that Asians should value test scores less and their "well-roundedness" more. However, how do you expect us to value test-scores less, when year after year admissions officers require more from us than any other group. And if the method is truly "holistic", is there anyone here on this blog that believes that if the last names and the race identifying information were redacted from applications, the number of Asians at the top schools would remain the same?

Lastly, I hear a lot of "fairness" arguments such as African Americans being disadvantaged because of the atrocities of the past deserve help. Albeit this is true. Who committed and benefited from these atrocities? Whites or Asians? Its Whites. But who pays for the cost of affirmative action at top schools? Asians and only
Asians.

If you do not believe me, take a looks a UCLA and Berkeley's admissions over the past 20 years (after prop 209--no affirmative action bill). The percentage of Asians at these schools back in the early 90s were about 17%, today (without Affirmative Action) Asians make up over 40% of the student body. At comparable private schools Asians have remained at about 17% of the student body for the past 20 years, despite the college aged population more than doubling.

Finally, is it fair to help a wealthy African American or Hispanic applicant over a underprivileged Asian? The answer is NO. In America people who are born rich die rich, and people born poor, die poor (no matter the color of your skin). Black or not, if you are rich, fairness should mandate you receive no help.

I totally agree!

[Anonymous]

it's ironic that the Jews who were discriminated against in college admissions in the 1920s to 1960s at the top universities are now in the majority and in power at these universities and discriminating against Asians using similar methods that were used against them decades earlier.

Having been the victims of these discriminatory practices earlier, Jews should be the first to condemn these discriminatory practices against Asians but they remain silent.

[Anonymous]

Our elem school in MOCO is about equal Asian and Caucasian (about 40% each). The majority of the Asian population is Indian. We have no concerns with this at all. The parents at our school are involved and the school is well regarded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, my kids are mixed race. Which side of the equation do you want us on?

Do you want us to be white or Asian?

Ask FCPS. They're the ones who collect this data. Might have a box for "other."

I've asked. They won't answer. Some forms have other, some multi, why does anyone care. How about "who cares"

I wonder this too. Because my child is Asian (Chinese-American) but we adopted her (we are Caucasian). Her last name does not indicated she is Asian. She is not growing up "Asian" b/c as I mentioned we are Caucasian. We are your typical run-of-the-mill "striving hard and want our child to do well" Cauc. parents but we wouldn't "measure up to" "Asian Tiger Parents". If my child is judged against Asians who were raised in this fashion, she is going to fall short, probably? We do try to keep up with her Chinese culture and she takes Mandarin lessons, we talk a lot about China, we are going back to adopt #2 next year so that'll be a cultural immersion experience for her, etc etc etc, but we are not American-Asisan Kumon-attending, violin lesson-enforcing, "Asian" parents. . . . So I wonder, in the future, like for college applications, if she should not check "Asian"???? or what???