Federal Obamacare Exchange Launch

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love to post things from your side so you can see what a la la land you libs live in

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/14/maryland-health-exchange-problems_n_4092340.html

So Huffington Post wants to increase its advertising revenue and found an easy target in the likes of you.

The more you post, the more I sense your fear that health care is going to be one of those things every American feels entitled to-- right up there with life and liberty. By the time my three year old is ready to start his own family, there may arguments about quality or more likely a private/public dichotomy, but healthcare for all will be a given.

Your posts also have me convinced that this effort will get ironed into a public option or single payer system sooner rather than later. That's the solution all these problems are pointing to. Ask the Republican governors who are quietly fighting to expand Medicaid.

If my side is right, the outcome is more people enrolled, costs coming down and healthcare becomes one of those things that will never be perfect but something you expect to be provided nonetheless--like water without dysentery or cereal without rat feces.

What happens if your side is right? What's the future for citizens if Obamacare fails and is replaced by that genius plan the right wants to implement?

[Anonymous]

Are you saying a downgrade in quality is acceptable for you regarding your son and grandchildren?

Please.

Quality becomes an argument about anything that's paid for, even for those stupid enough to think it's "free."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying a downgrade in quality is acceptable for you regarding your son and grandchildren?

Please.

Quality becomes an argument about anything that's paid for, even for those stupid enough to think it's "free."

You didn't answer my question though. In this case, it's medical care that would reduce in quality. Are you ok with your son and grandchildren getting degraded care? Yes or no.

Your question assumes I believe its premise, which I don't.

Now answer my question about that which you are certain: what's future for us if Obamacare fails?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying a downgrade in quality is acceptable for you regarding your son and grandchildren?

Please.

Quality becomes an argument about anything that's paid for, even for those stupid enough to think it's "free."

You didn't answer my question though. In this case, it's medical care that would reduce in quality. Are you ok with your son and grandchildren getting degraded care? Yes or no.

Your question assumes I believe its premise, which I don't.

Now answer my question about that which you are certain: what's future for us if Obamacare fails?

My opinion is the goal all along IS for it to fail. That's how they will put in single-payer. If they don't make it illegal for some doctors to go private like HillaryCare was proposing, then the wealthy will get the good care and the non-wealthy will get put through waiting mill. And once again, there will be a progressive group of folk who claim THAT'S not fair, until it becomes same for all and severely downgraded from what you get now.

The problem with this is, the government will not have to wait or get downgraded care - they don't in other countries with single-payer. That alone should give you a clue.

[Anonymous]

My opinion is the goal all along IS for it to fail. That's how they will put in single-payer. If they don't make it illegal for some doctors to go private like HillaryCare was proposing, then the wealthy will get the good care and the non-wealthy will get put through waiting mill. And once again, there will be a progressive group of folk who claim THAT'S not fair, until it becomes same for all and severely downgraded from what you get now.

The problem with this is, the government will not have to wait or get downgraded care - they don't in other countries with single-payer. That alone should give you a clue.

I have lived in other countries--Germany, France and the UK-- where I found it easier and MUCH cheaper to see a doctor and get treatment (as an immigrant!) than I have ever experienced in the US. When I was in Germany 10 years ago, I sought private health insurance and went for a physical. The doctor told me I had hypothyroism and referred me to en endocrinologist. I made an appointment with the endo, who did an ultrasound on my thyroid gland and drew my blood for further testing in his office. That office was within walking distance of my apartment, and he sent me home with medication in hand, a prescription costing me 8 euro for a three month supply, and an appointment to return in two weeks. All of that happened in one morning, before 11:00 am and cost me 60 euro--at that time, about the equivalent of $100. I went back to see him every two months for tests and paid about 30 euro each time. I got better very quickly.

When I returned to the states a year later, it was three months before I could find a doctor who would take me without insurance. I just needed someone who would give me a prescription for this cheap medication that I have to take every day for the rest of my life. I couldn't even get one doctor to take or return my call. When I did find one, it was a doc on the upper east side of Manhattan. There, amidst all that unbelievable wealth, was a dark, dingy basement office crammed with sick people waiting hours to see this doctor's nurse practitioner for less than five minutes. Like me, they just wanted the prescription. The visit cost $285. The prescription costs $48 for a 30 day supply. The sonogram would be a separate visit to a radiologist in four month's time and if I could wait that long would cost me an additional $170. My condition deteriorated quickly, which had a direct impact on my ability to earn a living.

The amount we pay for mediocre healthcare in this country makes no sense whatsoever. But we accept it as "the best in the world" because we have nothing to compare it to. And we're gouged day in and day out because our providers are gouged, and our goverments are gouged and everyone in the chain of healthcare delivery is gouged, because we if we deny something to some people we can say it's worth more. And more people, like you, will believe that's true and pay whatever you're told. Soon, it's considered normal for a person to pay $250/month--that's $3,000/year--and then pay an extra $25 to see a doc when they actually get sick. This is what we're fighting for as reasonable and quality. Meanwhile, my neighbor who doesn't have a job and doesn't get the prescription, goes to the ER for the stroke caused by the chronic condition she can't get treated, and the hospital raises the cost of everything to pay for it.

This is the staus quo that the tea party is fighting for. We are already "downgraded" in quality, so please stop asking me about what's acceptable for my grandchildren. Your version ain't it.

The Affordable Care Act has many measures in place designed for better quality and a better return on investment. Google "accountable care organizations" to learn more about how CMS is insisting on better outcomes, not just more patients and more money.

[Anonymous]

^^^question: you clearly think that things are better elsewhere. Why did you come to the US?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:^^^question: you clearly think that things are better elsewhere. Why did you come to the US?

It appears that she is American. She mentioned that she received care in other countries as an immigrant.

[Anonymous]

oops....sorry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^question: you clearly think that things are better elsewhere. Why did you come to the US?

Not PP, but she is American - "I have lived in other countries--Germany, France and the UK-- where I found it easier and MUCH cheaper to see a doctor and get treatment (as an immigrant!) than I have ever experienced in the US."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^question: you clearly think that things are better elsewhere. Why did you come to the US?

Gee, just because she doesn't like the health care system she is supposed to pack up and leave?

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^question: you clearly think that things are better elsewhere. Why did you come to the US?

Gee, just because she doesn't like the health care system she is supposed to pack up and leave?

Especially when there is reason to hope for a little improvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you saying a downgrade in quality is acceptable for you regarding your son and grandchildren?

Please.

Quality becomes an argument about anything that's paid for, even for those stupid enough to think it's "free."

You didn't answer my question though. In this case, it's medical care that would reduce in quality. Are you ok with your son and grandchildren getting degraded care? Yes or no.

Your question assumes I believe its premise, which I don't.

Now answer my question about that which you are certain: what's future for us if Obamacare fails?

My opinion is the goal all along IS for it to fail. That's how they will put in single-payer. If they don't make it illegal for some doctors to go private like HillaryCare was proposing, then the wealthy will get the good care and the non-wealthy will get put through waiting mill. And once again, there will be a progressive group of folk who claim THAT'S not fair, until it becomes same for all and severely downgraded from what you get now.

The problem with this is, the government will not have to wait or get downgraded care - they don't in other countries with single-payer. That alone should give you a clue.

When you posted, you left your webcam on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not going to pretend I have the answers for what plagues the Healthcare Industry. I guess allowing one to purchase across state lines would help. I just don't think there is a way to help the small percentage without inflicting great harm on the rest. It's purely a matter of MATH and LOGIC that Obamacare is not going to work and believing otherwise is living in lala land. Here are a few links to articles from your side stating my case:


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-15/opinion/ct-obamacare-edit-1016-20131016_1_obamacare-health-insurance-insurance-premiums


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57607200/how-many-americans-have-signed-up-for-obamacare/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/politics/obamacare-insurance-signup/

Here is an article for you to read from care providers who really care and understand the problems with our health care and understand real solutions.

Take the poll.

Those of us who believe in what the Affordable Care Act provides must stand up louder thnt the "2 million" Ted Cruz supporters. They are a minute percentage of our 320 million US population yet their opinion is all we hear. These people are costing americans jobs, health care, economic growth and don't really seem to care.
It is time to speak louder!!

Take the poll:
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/10/14/health/maine-nurses-say-obamacare-doesnt-go-far-enough-argue-for-universal-coverage/

[Anonymous]

I think we need a little humor here:

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/danieljmitchell/2013/10/21/some-muchneed-obamacare-humor-n1728504