Why do I feel sympathetic towards the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For Martin Richard's family:
http://richardfamilyfund.org/


Please post if anyone sees anything for these brothers:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/15/mother-nightmare-two-sons-two-lost-limbs/67hOUjic1trR7AkX6kZZsI/story.html

They were recently laid off from their jobs as roofers. Each lost a leg.

But are they 19 and cute? No, well no sympathy from me then. Only for white guys who take good headshots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because he's white and good looking, basically. People are literally that dumb.

Yup. I've noticed that people have a lot more sympathy for the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and James Holmes than they did for Lee Boyd Malvo or Seung Cho. Many people react to the former two as tragic characters who had something that "turned" them wrong. And far more people react to the latter two as "they are evil". I heard so many people say that the black Malvo was destined to be a criminal because he's black and that Cho was a terrorist and that because of him we need to improve our border security because you can't trust "them."
So many people do react so subconsciously just seeing the non-white killers.

I don't know what planet you are living on, but I have never heard anyone express any kind of sympathy for James Holmes. Zero. The only responses ever expressed about. Him is that he is a scary, crazed monster.

This is not a race issue. The puzzle pieces don't appear to fit together on this kid. With the others, including the Columbine and Sandy Hook shooters, there were things about the kids that on face value provided some logic and with this terrorist there is nothing at first glance.

There are websites dedicated to Holmes where woman who find him attractive go chat. It's not uncommon for people to have fantasies about killers, especially attractive ones. See: Manson, Bundy, BTK, etc.

If so, that is not a race thing. That is a bunch of messed up crazy women.

Exactly. There was a whole page of tweets yesterday about how ' and attractice hot' Dzhokar was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because he's white and good looking, basically. People are literally that dumb.

Yup. I've noticed that people have a lot more sympathy for the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and James Holmes than they did for Lee Boyd Malvo or Seung Cho. Many people react to the former two as tragic characters who had something that "turned" them wrong. And far more people react to the latter two as "they are evil". I heard so many people say that the black Malvo was destined to be a criminal because he's black and that Cho was a terrorist and that because of him we need to improve our border security because you can't trust "them."
So many people do react so subconsciously just seeing the non-white killers.

I don't know what planet you are living on, but I have never heard anyone express any kind of sympathy for James Holmes. Zero. The only responses ever expressed about. Him is that he is a scary, crazed monster.

This is not a race issue. The puzzle pieces don't appear to fit together on this kid. With the others, including the Columbine and Sandy Hook shooters, there were things about the kids that on face value provided some logic and with this terrorist there is nothing at first glance.

There are websites dedicated to Holmes where woman who find him attractive go chat. It's not uncommon for people to have fantasies about killers, especially attractive ones. See: Manson, Bundy, BTK, etc.

If so, that is not a race thing. That is a bunch of messed up crazy women.

Exactly. There was a whole page of tweets yesterday about how ' and attractice hot' Dzhokar was.

Not sure what happened there... "attractive and hot"

[Anonymous]

OP, I think the answer to your question is that you are not fully engaged with the horror of what he has done, so it is easier to feel sympathy than it should be. Often, I think people put the victims out of their minds as a way of believing that it could have happened to them, and once you do that it is easy to sympatize with the criminal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I think the answer to your question is that you are not fully engaged with the horror of what he has done, so it is easier to feel sympathy than it should be. Often, I think people put the victims out of their minds as a way of believing that it could have happened to them, and once you do that it is easy to sympatize with the criminal.

I mean, could NOT have happened to them.

[Anonymous]

And this exactly how terrorists play Americans. Sympathy wins out, they turn on those who see radicalism for what it is, discredit and destroy them, then someone else loses their life and limb. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And this exactly how terrorists play Americans. Sympathy wins out, they turn on those who see radicalism for what it is, discredit and destroy them, then someone else loses their life and limb. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Some of us believe that the terrorists win when they make us forget our common humanity and fill us with so much fear we can't afford to be sympathetic. No one here is saying Dzhokhar doesn't deserve to feel the full weight of our justice system, just that we shouldn't lose ourselves and our values in the face of tragic criminal acts.

[Anonymous]

OP, where is your sympathy for that poor, broken, sweet eyed Adam Lanza?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:he calmly walked away as body parts and the screams of innocent people filled the air because of what he did. He went to a party the next day, he behaved as if nothing had happened to darken his mood - probably because, in fact, nothing had happened to dark his mood. Sympathy for him is a bit beyond my capabilities at this point.

His creep brothers youtube account:
http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah

People in the SS must have had nice school pictures too. Look at pictures of liberation of Bergen Belsen:
http://life.time.com/history/at-the-gates-of-hell-the-liberation-of-bergen-belsen-april-1945/?iid=lf|mostpop#5

So a nice school picture then see him in the photo with the 8 year old child he killed. Could have been your child. Or the man with the shredded and blown off legs. Justapose them in your brain and sympathy evaporates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I saw that man in the wheelchair with the flesh blown from his legs. That one spindly leg bone hanging down with no meat on it, and that gray shocked look on his face. I think of that sweet little boy who wanted peace, blown to bits and his sister's leg blown off. His momma with brain damage. Should I go on? The person who did this, chose to. And he look into the eyes of his victim as he dropped the bomb at their feet. He walked off knowing that they would be killed. He deserves no sympathy.

Can we politely agree that we have a slight difference of opinion and that's okay? As an echo of the teamwork we saw demonstrated in Boston, it'd be nice if this thread didn't dissolve into vitriol but a place for people to respectfully state their opinions. There is enough room here for all of our perspectives.

I have to say that when you are expressing sympathy for someone like this, it is probably better to just keep it to yourself, or tell your therapist. Not many people who live and breathe are going to be able to understand your point of view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is such an odd story. A kid who was smart (skipped a grade), popular, athletic, social and had a bright future. No sign of involvement with any radical organization or activities. No antisocial behavior. Just a typical teen.

The only thing I saw was that he had started failing courses in the last year. And that one girl said he acted oddly at her house (spread string cheese all over her couch). So something was going on. What I feel sympathy for is that when things started going wrong, that there wasn't someone ( a positive influence) there to step in and help him. I am guessing it was his brother he turned too and it sounds like his brother was possibly involved in radical organizations.

He also carried on after the bombing as though life was fine - went to class, to the gym, went to a party, posted on twitter. Almost like he completely compartmentalized or disassociated himself from what he did just a day or two before.

I too hold him fully responsible for his actions, he knew what he was doing but I am very interested in how he got caught up in this.

Yes, I agree with this! I keep seeing posts and hearing people say that the "good people" outweigh the "bad people" in this country...but what about the indifferent people? The people who consciously ignore those in need, the people who see a concerning change in a friend, relative, co-worker and do nothing. You aren't a good person just because you haven't committed heinous acts. It's the day to day indifference that scares me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I saw that man in the wheelchair with the flesh blown from his legs. That one spindly leg bone hanging down with no meat on it, and that gray shocked look on his face. I think of that sweet little boy who wanted peace, blown to bits and his sister's leg blown off. His momma with brain damage. Should I go on? The person who did this, chose to. And he look into the eyes of his victim as he dropped the bomb at their feet. He walked off knowing that they would be killed. He deserves no sympathy.

Where did you see she has suffered brain damage? What kind of damages are we talking here?

I tell you what, if she comes out with no long term brain damage, I will owe you a candy bar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is such an odd story. A kid who was smart (skipped a grade), popular, athletic, social and had a bright future. No sign of involvement with any radical organization or activities. No antisocial behavior. Just a typical teen.

The only thing I saw was that he had started failing courses in the last year. And that one girl said he acted oddly at her house (spread string cheese all over her couch). So something was going on. What I feel sympathy for is that when things started going wrong, that there wasn't someone ( a positive influence) there to step in and help him. I am guessing it was his brother he turned too and it sounds like his brother was possibly involved in radical organizations.

He also carried on after the bombing as though life was fine - went to class, to the gym, went to a party, posted on twitter. Almost like he completely compartmentalized or disassociated himself from what he did just a day or two before.

I too hold him fully responsible for his actions, he knew what he was doing but I am very interested in how he got caught up in this.

Yes, I agree with this! I keep seeing posts and hearing people say that the "good people" outweigh the "bad people" in this country...but what about the indifferent people? The people who consciously ignore those in need, the people who see a concerning change in a friend, relative, co-worker and do nothing. You aren't a good person just because you haven't committed heinous acts. It's the day to day indifference that scares me.

Just wait for the People Magazine cover story. I am sure you will get your answers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I saw that man in the wheelchair with the flesh blown from his legs. That one spindly leg bone hanging down with no meat on it, and that gray shocked look on his face. I think of that sweet little boy who wanted peace, blown to bits and his sister's leg blown off. His momma with brain damage. Should I go on? The person who did this, chose to. And he look into the eyes of his victim as he dropped the bomb at their feet. He walked off knowing that they would be killed. He deserves no sympathy.

Can we politely agree that we have a slight difference of opinion and that's okay? As an echo of the teamwork we saw demonstrated in Boston, it'd be nice if this thread didn't dissolve into vitriol but a place for people to respectfully state their opinions. There is enough room here for all of our perspectives.

I have to say that when you are expressing sympathy for someone like this, it is probably better to just keep it to yourself, or tell your therapist. Not many people who live and breathe are going to be able to understand your point of view.

Well I don't have a therapist and the friends I've spoken about this with agree with me that calling him evil or insane is an easy answer, not the right answer, and that we are sorry for the lost potential of his life had just as we are sorry for the lost potential of the lives of all the victims. [Note: I am not calling him a victim of this crime] I am sorry for his soul that will have to carry the burden of this crime, and the suffering that will bring him.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:he calmly walked away as body parts and the screams of innocent people filled the air because of what he did. He went to a party the next day, he behaved as if nothing had happened to darken his mood - probably because, in fact, nothing had happened to dark his mood. Sympathy for him is a bit beyond my capabilities at this point.

His creep brothers youtube account:
http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah

People in the SS must have had nice school pictures too. Look at pictures of liberation of Bergen Belsen:
http://life.time.com/history/at-the-gates-of-hell-the-liberation-of-bergen-belsen-april-1945/?iid=lf|mostpop#5

So a nice school picture then see him in the photo with the 8 year old child he killed. Could have been your child. Or the man with the shredded and blown off legs. Justapose them in your brain and sympathy evaporates.

Seriously, you couldn't find another way to make your point then to compare the Boston bombings to the Holocaust? That's like Godwin's law on steroids.