I question their fitness as parents

[Anonymous]

yes home protection.

Teen Shot in Head During Home Invasion Prank

A 15-year-old Alabama boy is in critical condition today after he was shot in the head by a friend during prank that police said went terribly wrong.
Jesse Rainey, 15, and seven male friends were spending the weekend at an unoccupied home that belonged to the grandmother of one of the boys, when a few of the teens decided to prank their friends by faking a home intrusion, Colbert County Sheriff Ronnie May told ABCNews.com.
“One of the young men cut the lights to the house, then a few of the other guys snuck back inside, wanting their friends to believe there was an intruder,” May said.
The teens were in the process of using flashlights to find the switch box, when Rainey jumped out of a closet.
His rattled friend immediately dropped a video game and fired a shot into Rainey’s head with a .38 caliber hand gun.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/10/teen-shot-in-head-during-home-invasion-prank/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

I assume that most writers on this site are mommies or daddies.

Jeff will probably weigh in on this shortly, but this forum was invaded by a number of pro-gun freakazoids shortly after Sandy Hook. I think some of them are still hanging around and might not be "mommies or daddies."

I'm a pro-gun 'freakazoid' and have three kids.

Do you keep a Bushmaster AR-15 or similar weapons and high capacity magazines in your home?

If my kid went to your kid's for a playdate I would worry that while you were down organizing the basement or whatever, your 7 year old would take my 7 year old into your walk in closet to impress him by showing him a real gun. It would only take a couple minutes. If your gun is locked up high, with the ammo in another place, how would it be available to you in case of an intruder? This is why people keep a loaded gun in their nightstand.

My son has a locking blade pocketknife. He loves that thing. He is not allowed to use it without an adult right next to him because it is really sharp. Just before Christmas, he had his classmate over. I went down to the basement to move some laundry to the dryer. I folded for a few minutes. I went upstairs to check on the boys. I was horrified to see the other boy cutting a hole in a large cardboard box with the pocketknife. My son had retrieved the pocketknife from my closet and given it to the other boy. They were creating a fort with cutouts to see out of.

I felt so lucky the boys had not been hurt. It happened so fast, and my son disobeyed by retrieving the knife without me. I was surprised, he is very obedient, but he wanted to impress his friend.

You could say that I should have had the knife locked up or high up. Yet we have lots of unsecured kitchen knives, matches on a high shelf, but they could be retrieved with a chair, etc. I had the knife in a high drawer in my closet, it is only 2 inches long anyway. I did not think something like that would happen.

Ever hear of a biometric safe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes home protection.

Teen Shot in Head During Home Invasion Prank

A 15-year-old Alabama boy is in critical condition today after he was shot in the head by a friend during prank that police said went terribly wrong.
Jesse Rainey, 15, and seven male friends were spending the weekend at an unoccupied home that belonged to the grandmother of one of the boys, when a few of the teens decided to prank their friends by faking a home intrusion, Colbert County Sheriff Ronnie May told ABCNews.com.
“One of the young men cut the lights to the house, then a few of the other guys snuck back inside, wanting their friends to believe there was an intruder,” May said.
The teens were in the process of using flashlights to find the switch box, when Rainey jumped out of a closet.
His rattled friend immediately dropped a video game and fired a shot into Rainey’s head with a .38 caliber hand gun.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/10/teen-shot-in-head-during-home-invasion-prank/

Well, I guess that was a stupid prank, eh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I assume that most writers on this site are mommies or daddies.

Jeff will probably weigh in on this shortly, but this forum was invaded by a number of pro-gun freakazoids shortly after Sandy Hook. I think some of them are still hanging around and might not be "mommies or daddies."

I'm a pro-gun 'freakazoid' and have three kids.

Do you keep a Bushmaster AR-15 or similar weapons and high capacity magazines in your home?

If my kid went to your kid's for a playdate I would worry that while you were down organizing the basement or whatever, your 7 year old would take my 7 year old into your walk in closet to impress him by showing him a real gun. It would only take a couple minutes. If your gun is locked up high, with the ammo in another place, how would it be available to you in case of an intruder? This is why people keep a loaded gun in their nightstand.

My son has a locking blade pocketknife. He loves that thing. He is not allowed to use it without an adult right next to him because it is really sharp. Just before Christmas, he had his classmate over. I went down to the basement to move some laundry to the dryer. I folded for a few minutes. I went upstairs to check on the boys. I was horrified to see the other boy cutting a hole in a large cardboard box with the pocketknife. My son had retrieved the pocketknife from my closet and given it to the other boy. They were creating a fort with cutouts to see out of.

I felt so lucky the boys had not been hurt. It happened so fast, and my son disobeyed by retrieving the knife without me. I was surprised, he is very obedient, but he wanted to impress his friend.

You could say that I should have had the knife locked up or high up. Yet we have lots of unsecured kitchen knives, matches on a high shelf, but they could be retrieved with a chair, etc. I had the knife in a high drawer in my closet, it is only 2 inches long anyway. I did not think something like that would happen.

Ever hear of a biometric safe?

Yeah, regrettably most gun owners don't have them. Worse yet, many people still keep a handgun next to the bed.

That's the problem with gun safety and kids. It's really easy to slip up, and kids just do impulsive things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I assume that most writers on this site are mommies or daddies.

Jeff will probably weigh in on this shortly, but this forum was invaded by a number of pro-gun freakazoids shortly after Sandy Hook. I think some of them are still hanging around and might not be "mommies or daddies."

I'm a pro-gun 'freakazoid' and have three kids.

Do you keep a Bushmaster AR-15 or similar weapons and high capacity magazines in your home?

If my kid went to your kid's for a playdate I would worry that while you were down organizing the basement or whatever, your 7 year old would take my 7 year old into your walk in closet to impress him by showing him a real gun. It would only take a couple minutes. If your gun is locked up high, with the ammo in another place, how would it be available to you in case of an intruder? This is why people keep a loaded gun in their nightstand.

My son has a locking blade pocketknife. He loves that thing. He is not allowed to use it without an adult right next to him because it is really sharp. Just before Christmas, he had his classmate over. I went down to the basement to move some laundry to the dryer. I folded for a few minutes. I went upstairs to check on the boys. I was horrified to see the other boy cutting a hole in a large cardboard box with the pocketknife. My son had retrieved the pocketknife from my closet and given it to the other boy. They were creating a fort with cutouts to see out of.

I felt so lucky the boys had not been hurt. It happened so fast, and my son disobeyed by retrieving the knife without me. I was surprised, he is very obedient, but he wanted to impress his friend.

You could say that I should have had the knife locked up or high up. Yet we have lots of unsecured kitchen knives, matches on a high shelf, but they could be retrieved with a chair, etc. I had the knife in a high drawer in my closet, it is only 2 inches long anyway. I did not think something like that would happen.

Ever hear of a biometric safe?

Like this one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL - you are questioning a kid calling his father and are questioning whether or not he needed to shoot because the guy was retreating down the stairs? Do you know what this guy had in mind AFTER HE BROKE INTO THE HOUSE? No. Neither did the kid. The intruder was ARMED to boot.

It happened in June. If you click on the Fox link the blogger put in the post, you will see it links to a June article. The blogger(s) reposted it in December in light of the BS that's been thrown around since Sandy Hook.

Holy f*ck you guys are NUTS!

Someone sure is...

[Anonymous]

Ah, so that particular one was defective, or maybe that brand isn't so good. That's what research is for. After all, you get what you pay for. There are also all sorts of other safes that can keep kids out. And BTW? you can keep a magazine or clip loaded in one place and your gun somewhere else and have it loaded and ready to go in under 15 seconds. I don't know many intruders who move at warp-speed or have invisibility cloaks. In most situations, people have time to get their weapons. This has been shown time and again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ah, so that particular one was defective, or maybe that brand isn't so good. That's what research is for. After all, you get what you pay for. There are also all sorts of other safes that can keep kids out. And BTW? you can keep a magazine or clip loaded in one place and your gun somewhere else and have it loaded and ready to go in under 15 seconds. I don't know many intruders who move at warp-speed or have invisibility cloaks. In most situations, people have time to get their weapons. This has been shown time and again.

It has also been shown time and time again that you are more likely to be shot by an intruder with your own gun. What is your point? Listen, I grew up rurally where everyone has a shotgun or a rifle. Many to most people hunt, and/or there are occasionally rabid animals that wander up and need to be killed, plus if there is an intruder rurally, it's going to be ten to twenty minutes before the sheriff gets there. What I think is asinine is city dwellers - most of us nore more than one-five minutes from a police officer at any given time - thinking we'd better be packing machine guns. For "safety."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ah, so that particular one was defective, or maybe that brand isn't so good. That's what research is for. After all, you get what you pay for. There are also all sorts of other safes that can keep kids out. And BTW? you can keep a magazine or clip loaded in one place and your gun somewhere else and have it loaded and ready to go in under 15 seconds. I don't know many intruders who move at warp-speed or have invisibility cloaks. In most situations, people have time to get their weapons. This has been shown time and again.

Yes. But when I ask if your house is safe for kids, and you give me that "ever heard of a biometric safe?" then I have to ask you whether it is a good one, whether you have bolted it down, whether your kids know where the backup key is, whether ALL of the guns are in there, whether you do routine inspections, whether you carry and if so where is the gun when you are out of the house, how do you secure your gun in the car. Do you ever forget to secure your weapon when you get home and shower. Do you have a backup weapon in a second location that is just hidden, not secured. it goes on and on.

My in-laws are a perfect example. Great gun safe. But the guns aren't always in there. FIL knows where they are, but MIL doesn't. When I ask she says "I'm sure they are locked up". Then I go ask him when he gets home and we go around and put everything back in the safe before the grandkids find them. They aren't dumb people. They aren't used to having kids around.

Yes, it can all be done well. But the fact is that more than half don't even get the basics right, and most of the rest make mistakes.

[Anonymous]

OP, I believe the problem is, it's Obama. Anyhting he does is scary to Repubs. Ifit was Reagan - once AGAIN - restricting certain weapons, you wouldn't hear a peep.

Obama is scary to them. He's been turned into a bogeyman.

[Anonymous]

I question anyone who refers to "parents" as "mommies and daddies."

I do not own a gun but we've given up too many freedoms since 9/11 and I'm not willing to give up any more. Obviously, no gun law is going to stop anyone from killing if this is their intent. Instead of more gun laws, how about we spend more time and money on mental and emoional health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, so that particular one was defective, or maybe that brand isn't so good. That's what research is for. After all, you get what you pay for. There are also all sorts of other safes that can keep kids out. And BTW? you can keep a magazine or clip loaded in one place and your gun somewhere else and have it loaded and ready to go in under 15 seconds. I don't know many intruders who move at warp-speed or have invisibility cloaks. In most situations, people have time to get their weapons. This has been shown time and again.

Yes. But when I ask if your house is safe for kids, and you give me that "ever heard of a biometric safe?" then I have to ask you whether it is a good one, whether you have bolted it down, whether your kids know where the backup key is, whether ALL of the guns are in there, whether you do routine inspections, whether you carry and if so where is the gun when you are out of the house, how do you secure your gun in the car. Do you ever forget to secure your weapon when you get home and shower. Do you have a backup weapon in a second location that is just hidden, not secured. it goes on and on.

My in-laws are a perfect example. Great gun safe. But the guns aren't always in there. FIL knows where they are, but MIL doesn't. When I ask she says "I'm sure they are locked up". Then I go ask him when he gets home and we go around and put everything back in the safe before the grandkids find them. They aren't dumb people. They aren't used to having kids around.

Yes, it can all be done well. But the fact is that more than half don't even get the basics right, and most of the rest make mistakes.

You should ask. That's your job. And if you don't like the answers, your kid doesn't go to that person's house. That's also your job. Don't assume, though, that everyone is irresponsible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, so that particular one was defective, or maybe that brand isn't so good. That's what research is for. After all, you get what you pay for. There are also all sorts of other safes that can keep kids out. And BTW? you can keep a magazine or clip loaded in one place and your gun somewhere else and have it loaded and ready to go in under 15 seconds. I don't know many intruders who move at warp-speed or have invisibility cloaks. In most situations, people have time to get their weapons. This has been shown time and again.

Yes. But when I ask if your house is safe for kids, and you give me that "ever heard of a biometric safe?" then I have to ask you whether it is a good one, whether you have bolted it down, whether your kids know where the backup key is, whether ALL of the guns are in there, whether you do routine inspections, whether you carry and if so where is the gun when you are out of the house, how do you secure your gun in the car. Do you ever forget to secure your weapon when you get home and shower. Do you have a backup weapon in a second location that is just hidden, not secured. it goes on and on.

My in-laws are a perfect example. Great gun safe. But the guns aren't always in there. FIL knows where they are, but MIL doesn't. When I ask she says "I'm sure they are locked up". Then I go ask him when he gets home and we go around and put everything back in the safe before the grandkids find them. They aren't dumb people. They aren't used to having kids around.

Yes, it can all be done well. But the fact is that more than half don't even get the basics right, and most of the rest make mistakes.

You should ask. That's your job. And if you don't like the answers, your kid doesn't go to that person's house. That's also your job. Don't assume, though, that everyone is irresponsible.

THe problem is that I can't prove that anyone is reliable, unless I know them well. How do I separate the mom who says "yes, hubby has a gun safe" from the mom who really knows all the guns are in the safe"? I can't.

How would I know that you are responsible? Your answer was "biometric safe". That's like a company saying they are safe from hackers because they have a firewall.

So what would convince me that your home is safe for my children to visit?

[Anonymous]

So back to op's original question about "parents" justifying the sale of military style rifles (modern sporting rifles) and high capacity clips, I've. Been following the coverage of gun appreciation day and listening to the arguments people are quoted as saying in the articles. The only justification appears to be the slippery slope argument - after assault rifles and high capacity ammo, they'll come after all our guns. WE DON'T WANT ALL YOUR GUNS. We want to limit the possibility that somebody can take down more than ten people in under 1 minute, as was the case in Tuscon, or riddle an innocent 6 year gold's body with bullets and then kill 19 of his claßmates, his teachers in only a couple of.minutes. This is not the hypothetical. The hypothetical is that the government will come after more once they ban assault weapons and high capacity clips. Given how difficult it is to get any gun safety legislation passed, how can you argue that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, so that particular one was defective, or maybe that brand isn't so good. That's what research is for. After all, you get what you pay for. There are also all sorts of other safes that can keep kids out. And BTW? you can keep a magazine or clip loaded in one place and your gun somewhere else and have it loaded and ready to go in under 15 seconds. I don't know many intruders who move at warp-speed or have invisibility cloaks. In most situations, people have time to get their weapons. This has been shown time and again.

Yes. But when I ask if your house is safe for kids, and you give me that "ever heard of a biometric safe?" then I have to ask you whether it is a good one, whether you have bolted it down, whether your kids know where the backup key is, whether ALL of the guns are in there, whether you do routine inspections, whether you carry and if so where is the gun when you are out of the house, how do you secure your gun in the car. Do you ever forget to secure your weapon when you get home and shower. Do you have a backup weapon in a second location that is just hidden, not secured. it goes on and on.

My in-laws are a perfect example. Great gun safe. But the guns aren't always in there. FIL knows where they are, but MIL doesn't. When I ask she says "I'm sure they are locked up". Then I go ask him when he gets home and we go around and put everything back in the safe before the grandkids find them. They aren't dumb people. They aren't used to having kids around.

Yes, it can all be done well. But the fact is that more than half don't even get the basics right, and most of the rest make mistakes.

You should ask. That's your job. And if you don't like the answers, your kid doesn't go to that person's house. That's also your job. Don't assume, though, that everyone is irresponsible.

THe problem is that I can't prove that anyone is reliable, unless I know them well. How do I separate the mom who says "yes, hubby has a gun safe" from the mom who really knows all the guns are in the safe"? I can't.

How would I know that you are responsible? Your answer was "biometric safe". That's like a company saying they are safe from hackers because they have a firewall.

So what would convince me that your home is safe for my children to visit?

I don't have to convince you. If I told you that things were secure, showed you, and you kept pushing and pushing, I would tell you that it's not a good idea for your child to come to my home, because clearly you are uncomfortable.

You have choices. Exercise them. Take responsibility.