Racial make up in honors vs. non-honors classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering why it matters to you what the racial composition is of his classes? Isn't this a great opportunity to teach him that race doesn't matter? That he's a smart kid and he should learn to work well with the other smart kids in his class?

It matters because race does not determine your intelligence. So if there are 50% minority in the schools there should be 50% minorities in AP classes. Otherwise there is another reason why kids are not in AP classes.

It not just a minority issue -this happens to boys, kids with LDs, and minorities.

It does matter to me that my kids are not given the impression in their school experience that blacks and Hispanics are poor, not as smart and trouble.

This is a big problem in diverse MoCo schools. So I understand why the poster above who is Caucasian and in private believes her diverse experience is more balanced.

"Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the world, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It's been that way for at least a century."

Tests do show an IQ deficit, not just for Africans relative to Europeans, but for Europeans relative to Asians. Economic and cultural theories have failed to explain most of the pattern, and there's strong preliminary evidence that part of it is genetic. It's time to prepare for the possibility that equality of intelligence, in the sense of racial averages on tests, will turn out not to be true.

[Anonymous]

Here we go

[Anonymous]

Do you think MCPS are discriminating against Asians versus African Americans when it comes to school football teams. More African American players than Asians. Is it genetics or discrimination?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering why it matters to you what the racial composition is of his classes? Isn't this a great opportunity to teach him that race doesn't matter? That he's a smart kid and he should learn to work well with the other smart kids in his class?

It matters because race does not determine your intelligence. So if there are 50% minority in the schools there should be 50% minorities in AP classes. Otherwise there is another reason why kids are not in AP classes.

It not just a minority issue -this happens to boys, kids with LDs, and minorities.

It does matter to me that my kids are not given the impression in their school experience that blacks and Hispanics are poor, not as smart and trouble.

This is a big problem in diverse MoCo schools. So I understand why the poster above who is Caucasian and in private believes her diverse experience is more balanced.

"Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the world, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It's been that way for at least a century."

Tests do show an IQ deficit, not just for Africans relative to Europeans, but for Europeans relative to Asians. Economic and cultural theories have failed to explain most of the pattern, and there's strong preliminary evidence that part of it is genetic. It's time to prepare for the possibility that equality of intelligence, in the sense of racial averages on tests, will turn out not to be true.

Who designed the IQ test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here we go

Indeed. You sit down here, PP. I'll go get the popcorn.
Eesh.

If the OP is still reading (not sure I would be at this point) I agree with others that have suggested finding a more diverse school. I'm white, but my children attend a minority-majority school. I should point out that even at this school in years past there was definitely over-enrollment of white students in honors classes, but they've made addressing the achievement gap a priority and the numbers have improved significantly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering why it matters to you what the racial composition is of his classes? Isn't this a great opportunity to teach him that race doesn't matter? That he's a smart kid and he should learn to work well with the other smart kids in his class?

It matters because race does not determine your intelligence. So if there are 50% minority in the schools there should be 50% minorities in AP classes. Otherwise there is another reason why kids are not in AP classes.

It not just a minority issue -this happens to boys, kids with LDs, and minorities.

It does matter to me that my kids are not given the impression in their school experience that blacks and Hispanics are poor, not as smart and trouble.

This is a big problem in diverse MoCo schools. So I understand why the poster above who is Caucasian and in private believes her diverse experience is more balanced.

Listen affirmative action in college and the workplace is already BS as it is. If you want more AA in honors classes, go complain to their parents. THAT is the problem. Schools shouldn't spend more money one race to get politically correct numbers in all classes. They already do that in normal classes and it sucks. There are more Asians and Caucasians in honors classes because their families make it a priority. The AA kids that get into honors classes do it because they work hard and deserve it. Let's not turn honors courses into a liberal PC mess. It isn't fair to any person of any race that is supposed to actually be there. The brightest kids get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think MCPS are discriminating against Asians versus African Americans when it comes to school football teams. More African American players than Asians. Is it genetics or discrimination?

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

It is much better to be the cool athlete than the "black geek"

Sorry but that is how most Aftican American boys see it. Why leave their friends to go to harder classes with snowflakes when the other classes with my friends are easier?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is much better to be the cool athlete than the "black geek"

Sorry but that is how most Aftican American boys see it. Why leave their friends to go to harder classes with snowflakes when the other classes with my friends are easier?

Is it really as simple as that now? Because when I was in school back in the 90s my mother had to fight tooth and nail with my school's administration to get me placed on the honors/advanced track (there was no testing, it was all teacher recommendation), where yes I was one of the only AA faces.

[Anonymous]

I'm AA, attended another MD school district and experienced the same thing. I love the diversity of MoCo. However, I don't think public school middle school and onwards will work for DC and even my niece. I don't want them to go through the same experiences that I had. I really could have used the support of my peers who were like me, but sadly there weren't many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is much better to be the cool athlete than the "black geek"

Sorry but that is how most Aftican American boys see it. Why leave their friends to go to harder classes with snowflakes when the other classes with my friends are easier?

Is it really as simple as that now? Because when I was in school back in the 90s my mother had to fight tooth and nail with my school's administration to get me placed on the honors/advanced track (there was no testing, it was all teacher recommendation), where yes I was one of the only AA faces.

There are a lot of other people in various races that have to fight for an advanced track too. By parents and students alike. It isn't just a given. You have to get straight A's, do extra credit. Be involved with teachers, interact in class, take initiative, do 100% of HW, etc... Asian families start with this at birth. Why do black people think every hardship is because of their race? When is it going to end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is much better to be the cool athlete than the "black geek"

Sorry but that is how most Aftican American boys see it. Why leave their friends to go to harder classes with snowflakes when the other classes with my friends are easier?

Is it really as simple as that now? Because when I was in school back in the 90s my mother had to fight tooth and nail with my school's administration to get me placed on the honors/advanced track (there was no testing, it was all teacher recommendation), where yes I was one of the only AA faces.

There are a lot of other people in various races that have to fight for an advanced track too. By parents and students alike. It isn't just a given. You have to get straight A's, do extra credit. Be involved with teachers, interact in class, take initiative, do 100% of HW, etc... Asian families start with this at birth. Why do black people think every hardship is because of their race? When is it going to end.

Look, I know you have an agenda, but your projecting is tiresome - when is that going to end?

First, I was addressing the post that African American children simply choose not to enter an advanced track. Second, I don't think any child should be excluded from educational opportunities simply because they and/or their parents aren't savvy enough to play a political game. Yes, that's how life is in the adult world, but do we really have to start as early as 3rd grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering why it matters to you what the racial composition is of his classes? Isn't this a great opportunity to teach him that race doesn't matter? That he's a smart kid and he should learn to work well with the other smart kids in his class?

It matters because race does not determine your intelligence. So if there are 50% minority in the schools there should be 50% minorities in AP classes. Otherwise there is another reason why kids are not in AP classes.

It not just a minority issue -this happens to boys, kids with LDs, and minorities.

It does matter to me that my kids are not given the impression in their school experience that blacks and Hispanics are poor, not as smart and trouble.

This is a big problem in diverse MoCo schools. So I understand why the poster above who is Caucasian and in private believes her diverse experience is more balanced.

"Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the world, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It's been that way for at least a century."

Tests do show an IQ deficit, not just for Africans relative to Europeans, but for Europeans relative to Asians. Economic and cultural theories have failed to explain most of the pattern, and there's strong preliminary evidence that part of it is genetic. It's time to prepare for the possibility that equality of intelligence, in the sense of racial averages on tests, will turn out not to be true.

Then how come so many Nobel prize winners are white? I say this as an Asian.

[Anonymous]

A lot of Nobel winners are Ashkenazi jewish (and white) and they as a group have a higher IQ then Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is much better to be the cool athlete than the "black geek"

Sorry but that is how most Aftican American boys see it. Why leave their friends to go to harder classes with snowflakes when the other classes with my friends are easier?

Is it really as simple as that now? Because when I was in school back in the 90s my mother had to fight tooth and nail with my school's administration to get me placed on the honors/advanced track (there was no testing, it was all teacher recommendation), where yes I was one of the only AA faces.

There are a lot of other people in various races that have to fight for an advanced track too. By parents and students alike. It isn't just a given. You have to get straight A's, do extra credit. Be involved with teachers, interact in class, take initiative, do 100% of HW, etc... Asian families start with this at birth. Why do black people think every hardship is because of their race? When is it going to end.

Look, I know you have an agenda, but your projecting is tiresome - when is that going to end?

First, I was addressing the post that African American children simply choose not to enter an advanced track. Second, I don't think any child should be excluded from educational opportunities simply because they and/or their parents aren't savvy enough to play a political game. Yes, that's how life is in the adult world, but do we really have to start as early as 3rd grade?

It isn't a political agenda. You have to work hard. Go to preschool starting at 2, get workbooks at home, help them to read. Most kids can read by age 3. Stay in contact with teacher's about their needs. Go to more than one 10 minute conference and find out the weaknesses and address them at home. Volunteer in the class and see the social dynamics and if your child is focused or bored. Offer advanced work if your child is bored. Go to the library at least once a week. We went today. I would say 80% of the kids in the library were Asian. Avoid video games and screen time. Offer arts n crafts and books. Talk about nature. It isn't a political agenda. It is called being a parent. So many parents are just ignorant and send them to school and expect the teacher to do ALL of the raising and teaching and then wonder why their kids aren't the smartest or even failing. It is public school. If parents weren't involved in helping their kids, it would really show how little schools truly teach. You have to be the teacher. Parents are teachers too.