Christianity & Judaism - Same God?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Christian here. There is only one God. Christians worship him. Others try to worship him but fall into varying degrees of error.

I was raised Christian and my DH is a practicing Christian and so are my children, but this is SO OFFENSIVE! How do you know others "fall into varrying degrees of error?" I know your church tells you so and I'm sure you do really believe this but it's central to what I am offended by with all religions! Why don't you just focus on your own belief without worrying about others being "in error." The "they TRY to worship him" is so offensive! Like its some kind of competition. Whatever people who belong to a formal religion think...if there is a god that god is the god of everyone and everyone can worship "him." God will find a way to everyone regardless of what religion you practice. This exclusive smug assurance represents everything I dislike about organized religion. Every religion thinks it has its own special monopoly on god and that just can't be!

Well, lets see what the Bible says on this issue:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

God will not find a way regardless of the religion you practice. The Aztecs ripped the hearts out of live infants. That was their religion. So don't give me this crap about all religions are equally valid, because that is clearly b.s.

I DON'T CARE what the Bible says about this. That's one religious book. I beleive that if there is a god that god is within everyone and everything and that everyone CAN find him. All the people in the world who aren't even introduced to Christianity are not foresaken by god, if there is one. Maybe Jesus is one path, but I don't believe he could possibly be the only one. Why would god make a world full of people who had no possible option of knowing him or being saved? It's ridiculous in my opinion, and when push comes to shove none of us really knows for sure (I know you think you do, but you don't, it's all based on faith) so I take the option of believing in the greatest possibilities.

Ah, in 2011 missionaries have been to every corner of the globe.
Non-believers have no excuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I believe there is only one G-d. However, I do not recognize that deity to be Jesus, or Jesus to be that deity. I do not believe that G-d walked around on earth in human form for 33 years and then was "killed" and "reborn" or whatever the mythology is. I do not recognize my deity in the stories that are told in the so-called Christian Bible. I don't know if that is helpful to you, OP.

The "so-called Christian Bible" also has the Old Testament of which you are , presumably more tolerant. As Christians we do not refer to the Old Testament as "mythology" and we do not speak of it in a distainful manner. Your contempt for Christians and our belief is equally as despicable as anti-semitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian here. There is only one God. Christians worship him. Others try to worship him but fall into varying degrees of error.

I was raised Christian and my DH is a practicing Christian and so are my children, but this is SO OFFENSIVE! How do you know others "fall into varrying degrees of error?" I know your church tells you so and I'm sure you do really believe this but it's central to what I am offended by with all religions! Why don't you just focus on your own belief without worrying about others being "in error." The "they TRY to worship him" is so offensive! Like its some kind of competition. Whatever people who belong to a formal religion think...if there is a god that god is the god of everyone and everyone can worship "him." God will find a way to everyone regardless of what religion you practice. This exclusive smug assurance represents everything I dislike about organized religion. Every religion thinks it has its own special monopoly on god and that just can't be!

Well, lets see what the Bible says on this issue:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

God will not find a way regardless of the religion you practice. The Aztecs ripped the hearts out of live infants. That was their religion. So don't give me this crap about all religions are equally valid, because that is clearly b.s.

I DON'T CARE what the Bible says about this. That's one religious book. I beleive that if there is a god that god is within everyone and everything and that everyone CAN find him. All the people in the world who aren't even introduced to Christianity are not foresaken by god, if there is one. Maybe Jesus is one path, but I don't believe he could possibly be the only one. Why would god make a world full of people who had no possible option of knowing him or being saved? It's ridiculous in my opinion, and when push comes to shove none of us really knows for sure (I know you think you do, but you don't, it's all based on faith) so I take the option of believing in the greatest possibilities.

Ah, in 2011 missionaries have been to every corner of the globe.
Non-believers have no excuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the bible is to be taken literally, why aren't there more honor killings? Why do Christians eat pork and other unclean animals? Also, why don't Christian women cover their hair?

12:18 again. I should have realized you aren't serious from the way you've managed to ignore the numerous posts, from me and others, saying we don't find it a necessary condition of faith to take the Bible literally.

Did you consider that I was asking those questions of the poster claiming the bible should only be interpreted as literal?

[Anonymous]

The word "mythology" is not intended as an insult to other religions. Please look up the definition.

[Anonymous]

No, missionaries haven't made it to every part of the globe...wonder how many Christian missionaries are in North Korea? But even if they had, what about all the people who came before this generation? Really it doesn't matter though. You think only Christians know god and are saved. I can't talk you out of that. But it doesn't mean you or any other similarly opinionated religious people are right.

My belief is that if there is a god that god is the god of everyone. I don't know how that god squares up with any particular religious narrative...maybe "he" does, maybe they all have it wrong. But with the great proliferation of "believers" in the world who think their version is the best and/or only one they can't all be right, and I find it very hard to believe that just one has it completely right. Who knows? But I personally think it would be best for everyone to come to their own conclusion, follow their faith, but refrain from making sweeping judgements of everyone else when none of us know the whole, real, truth. I know many of us think we do, but really none of us do. Maybe those that think they are most sure are really the furthest from god. Who knows?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I believe there is only one G-d. However, I do not recognize that deity to be Jesus, or Jesus to be that deity. I do not believe that G-d walked around on earth in human form for 33 years and then was "killed" and "reborn" or whatever the mythology is. I do not recognize my deity in the stories that are told in the so-called Christian Bible. I don't know if that is helpful to you, OP.

The "so-called Christian Bible" also has the Old Testament of which you are , presumably more tolerant. As Christians we do not refer to the Old Testament as "mythology" and we do not speak of it in a distainful manner. Your contempt for Christians and our belief is equally as despicable as anti-semitism.

ITA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I believe there is only one G-d. However, I do not recognize that deity to be Jesus, or Jesus to be that deity. I do not believe that G-d walked around on earth in human form for 33 years and then was "killed" and "reborn" or whatever the mythology is. I do not recognize my deity in the stories that are told in the so-called Christian Bible. I don't know if that is helpful to you, OP.

Nice welcoming tolerant post.

How is that intolerant? If she believed Jesus was a deity, she would be Christian, not Jewish.

The mocking language: "whatever the mythology is" and "the so-called Christian bible". What's wrong with just distinguishing between the Christian and Jewish Bibles, because there's nothing "so-called" about either of them, they are what they are.

If you want respect, you have to give respect. I'm guessing that anything this disrespectful about Judaism would send her shrieking about anti-semitism or Hitler. So why not treat others how you'd like to be treated yourself.

And it's Hindu, unless we're in colonial Britain.

This is a fascinating subject, but probably impossible to discuss on DCUM. OP actually seems sincere. Too bad a few posters have already been abusive. It was ever thus.

Op is a troll. You're a nutjob.

And given that there have been several comments that are disrespectful of Judaism, there's no need for some looney hypothetical about what PP might do. The Christians are the only ones on these kinds of threads who demand unwavering fealty to their worldview by others. We live in an increasingly multi-religious world. Take the stick out and get used to it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Christian here. There is only one God. Christians worship him. Others try to worship him but fall into varying degrees of error.

Huh?

Not sure why you're shocked. This is standard mainstream Christian doctrine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Christian here. There is only one God. Christians worship him. Others try to worship him but fall into varying degrees of error.

Hoping this is sarcastic.

Jew here: why would this be sarcastic? Isn't this essentially what Christians believe? And wouldn't Muslims believe the same thing (that they worship God, and that others try to do so, but do so incorrectly)? Jews wouldn't believe this, because non-Jews aren't required to follow all 613 commandments--they just have to hit the first ten, which, I believe, Christians and Muslims satisfy (with some uneasiness about the Trinity and the First Commandment).

Religious Christian here, and no, I do not believe that Jews or Muslims worship God "incorrectly." I think that there is one God, we worship the same one, and that we have different paths for that worship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian here. There is only one God. Christians worship him. Others try to worship him but fall into varying degrees of error.

I was raised Christian and my DH is a practicing Christian and so are my children, but this is SO OFFENSIVE! How do you know others "fall into varrying degrees of error?" I know your church tells you so and I'm sure you do really believe this but it's central to what I am offended by with all religions! Why don't you just focus on your own belief without worrying about others being "in error." The "they TRY to worship him" is so offensive! Like its some kind of competition. Whatever people who belong to a formal religion think...if there is a god that god is the god of everyone and everyone can worship "him." God will find a way to everyone regardless of what religion you practice. This exclusive smug assurance represents everything I dislike about organized religion. Every religion thinks it has its own special monopoly on god and that just can't be!

Well, lets see what the Bible says on this issue:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

God will not find a way regardless of the religion you practice. The Aztecs ripped the hearts out of live infants. That was their religion. So don't give me this crap about all religions are equally valid, because that is clearly b.s.

I DON'T CARE what the Bible says about this. That's one religious book.

I find this incredibly offensive! Mocking Christian beliefs is so in vogue these days, but it's WRONG! You can't call the Bible "one religious book". Many believe it's THE ONLY RELIGIOUS BOOK! You should say something like, "While the Bible is the one true religious book, but some don't believe it." To do otherwise is to unnecessarily insult the Christians here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I believe there is only one G-d. However, I do not recognize that deity to be Jesus, or Jesus to be that deity. I do not believe that G-d walked around on earth in human form for 33 years and then was "killed" and "reborn" or whatever the mythology is. I do not recognize my deity in the stories that are told in the so-called Christian Bible. I don't know if that is helpful to you, OP.

The "so-called Christian Bible" also has the Old Testament of which you are , presumably more tolerant. As Christians we do not refer to the Old Testament as "mythology" and we do not speak of it in a distainful manner. Your contempt for Christians and our belief is equally as despicable as anti-semitism.

Yes, being insufficiently reverent about one's beliefs is exactly as despicable as a philosophy of racial genocide.

Has there ever been an oppressor class with such a tightly wound sense of being the victim? And you wonder why people laugh at you guys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The word "mythology" is not intended as an insult to other religions. Please look up the definition.

STOP USING THAT WORD!!1! You're going to turn PP into an atheist!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian here. There is only one God. Christians worship him. Others try to worship him but fall into varying degrees of error.

I was raised Christian and my DH is a practicing Christian and so are my children, but this is SO OFFENSIVE! How do you know others "fall into varrying degrees of error?" I know your church tells you so and I'm sure you do really believe this but it's central to what I am offended by with all religions! Why don't you just focus on your own belief without worrying about others being "in error." The "they TRY to worship him" is so offensive! Like its some kind of competition. Whatever people who belong to a formal religion think...if there is a god that god is the god of everyone and everyone can worship "him." God will find a way to everyone regardless of what religion you practice. This exclusive smug assurance represents everything I dislike about organized religion. Every religion thinks it has its own special monopoly on god and that just can't be!

Well, lets see what the Bible says on this issue:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

God will not find a way regardless of the religion you practice. The Aztecs ripped the hearts out of live infants. That was their religion. So don't give me this crap about all religions are equally valid, because that is clearly b.s.

I DON'T CARE what the Bible says about this. That's one religious book.

I find this incredibly offensive! Mocking Christian beliefs is so in vogue these days, but it's WRONG! You can't call the Bible "one religious book". Many believe it's THE ONLY RELIGIOUS BOOK! You should say something like, "While the Bible is the one true religious book, but some don't believe it." To do otherwise is to unnecessarily insult the Christians here.

I know you are being facetious, but to say, "the bible is one religious book" is a statement of fact. Even people who believe in the whole truth of the bible (believe it in literal terms) understand and acknowledge that other religions (however wrong) have religous texts (however wrong). Christians may not believe in the Koran but they understand that it is a "religious" book (meaning a book that is used for religious purposes by a group of people).

I get it though, you think all Christians are intolerant. Which says more about you than all Christians.

[Anonymous]

wow. OP here who last checked the thread when only 4 or so had replied. (not sure why a PP thinks this topic makes me nutso - it was a genuine question after multiple conversations with people in real life)

I am also surprised that the more militant posts weighing in seem to be from a Christian poster (sounds like 1 but perhaps more?) that is very literal and of the "my religion is the only correct one" view. In real life, the people who told me that Jews and Christians don't worship the same god were both Jewish. I also think that whether or not we worship the same God is a different question from which religion is right (or if neither holds an exclusive lease on the truth).

Thanks for all the posts though.