Yu Ying Waitlist Movement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would make sense for the presenters to be evasive on test scores, because the test scores aren't known. Not sure how you can make assumptions with no data.

Their data would be a general sense - which good teachers usually have - of how their kids are doing.

It sounds like they're not being evasive but are actually predicting low scores. This could be based on observation or a tactic to manage parental expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would make sense for the presenters to be evasive on test scores, because the test scores aren't known. Not sure how you can make assumptions with no data.

Their data would be a general sense - which good teachers usually have - of how their kids are doing.

It sounds like they're not being evasive but are actually predicting low scores. This could be based on observation or a tactic to manage parental expectations.

Irrelevant. Until we get the actual scores this is all just mindless speculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would make sense for the presenters to be evasive on test scores, because the test scores aren't known. Not sure how you can make assumptions with no data.

Their data would be a general sense - which good teachers usually have - of how their kids are doing.

It sounds like they're not being evasive but are actually predicting low scores. This could be based on observation or a tactic to manage parental expectations.

Agree. During the tours, they did not have to mention the scores at all since they haven't come out but chose to. Sounds like they are preparing people for low scores but haven't figured what answers to give.

[Anonymous]

I guess they don't want to blame it on the FARM kids, like some on this board have.

[Anonymous]

According to the greatschools website, Yu Ying only has 10% FARMs.

Even at some of the "worst" public schools in DC, non FARM students get perfectly respectable test scores.

If Yu Ying students should perform very well on the DCCAS. If they don't, there is a serious problem.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't the research actually say that bilingual students should under-perform until 5th grade or whenever the cognitive benefits of bilingualism kick in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you want your kids to learn another, very difficult language, and keep up with thei peers in English, that's going to take some work. There's no way around it. So there will be homework. Call it overly academic, but that's the way it is. Parents who send their kids to Yu Ying set high expectations academically.

Not saying this is right for all children -- but as a charter school, that's just the point. Yu Ying is not for everyone. You choose to send your kids there. If you have other ideas about how your kids should be taught, there's lots of other schools to choose from.

Seriously - why do people not get this? If you don't like it, don't go - it's not like they're hiding the requirements from you.

There's a parent in my son's class at EL Haynes that complains incessantly about the year-round schedule - not enought of a break, so difficult to take vacations, etc. Same response - you knew about the schedule when you enrolled, no one forced you to come - just shut up already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, if you want your kids to learn another, very difficult language, and keep up with thei peers in English, that's going to take some work. There's no way around it. So there will be homework. Call it overly academic, but that's the way it is. Parents who send their kids to Yu Ying set high expectations academically.

Not saying this is right for all children -- but as a charter school, that's just the point. Yu Ying is not for everyone. You choose to send your kids there. If you have other ideas about how your kids should be taught, there's lots of other schools to choose from.

Seriously - why do people not get this? If you don't like it, don't go - it's not like they're hiding the requirements from you.

There's a parent in my son's class at EL Haynes that complains incessantly about the year-round schedule - not enought of a break, so difficult to take vacations, etc. Same response - you knew about the schedule when you enrolled, no one forced you to come - just shut up already.

ITA!! No school is perfect, but why send your child if you don't agree with fundamental aspects of the curriculum or school philosophy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the research actually say that bilingual students should under-perform until 5th grade or whenever the cognitive benefits of bilingualism kick in?

Some people on DCUM have mentioned this. Personally, I don't believe it. English is not my first language and our family immigrated here when my brothers and I were 6, 4 and 2, speaking a none European language and both parents spoke little English. Within two years all of us were completely fluent and tested above grade level in English. DC CAS tests for English proficiency not Chinese so I don't see why Yu Ying kids should not test at or above their grade level in their native language.

[Anonymous]

Clarification: I was the 6 yr old. Entered 2nd grade in the U.S. knowing no English and tested above grade in 4th grade. I am bilingual. For the 4 and 2 yr old, English became their primary language and both had to relearn their native language as teens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the research actually say that bilingual students should under-perform until 5th grade or whenever the cognitive benefits of bilingualism kick in?

Some people on DCUM have mentioned this. Personally, I don't believe it. English is not my first language and our family immigrated here when my brothers and I were 6, 4 and 2, speaking a none European language and both parents spoke little English. Within two years all of us were completely fluent and tested above grade level in English. DC CAS tests for English proficiency not Chinese so I don't see why Yu Ying kids should not test at or above their grade level in their native language.

I question this too? Doesn't make sense and I wish someone would explain why bilingual students under-perform until 5th grade in the US. I wonder if the research refers to kids that are tested in their second language and not their first, which would be the case in the US? Why do kids in other countries in Europe and Asia who learn English and most likely another language in addition to their native language test at or above grade level and this is not the case in the US? I asked my friend whose native language is French and learned German and English in elementary school how she did and she had no problem testing above level in French. She did say English was harder, but she tested at level in English during her lower school years.

[Anonymous]

slight wait list movement on May 31, preK 2 slots and some 2nd grade movement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clarification: I was the 6 yr old. Entered 2nd grade in the U.S. knowing no English and tested above grade in 4th grade. I am bilingual. For the 4 and 2 yr old, English became their primary language and both had to relearn their native language as teens.

Well first of all this was not just a half time immersion program--your whole life was basically immersion. I'm sure the same thing happens with US kids who live in other countries. Second of all, you're talking 4th grade which is when language immersion kids are expected to test above their peers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't the research actually say that bilingual students should under-perform until 5th grade or whenever the cognitive benefits of bilingualism kick in?

Some people on DCUM have mentioned this. Personally, I don't believe it. English is not my first language and our family immigrated here when my brothers and I were 6, 4 and 2, speaking a none European language and both parents spoke little English. Within two years all of us were completely fluent and tested above grade level in English. DC CAS tests for English proficiency not Chinese so I don't see why Yu Ying kids should not test at or above their grade level in their native language.

I question this too? Doesn't make sense and I wish someone would explain why bilingual students under-perform until 5th grade in the US. I wonder if the research refers to kids that are tested in their second language and not their first, which would be the case in the US? Why do kids in other countries in Europe and Asia who learn English and most likely another language in addition to their native language test at or above grade level and this is not the case in the US? I asked my friend whose native language is French and learned German and English in elementary school how she did and she had no problem testing above level in French. She did say English was harder, but she tested at level in English during her lower school years.

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[Anonymous]

Wow. There is so much misinformation in this thread. I know that the Parents Association has a list of families willing to talk to new families. If you have questions call the school and ask to speak to a real live parent or two. My second grader spends about an hour a week on homework, in addition to reading (which doesn't seem like homework to her). As mentioned previously, DC CAS scores will not be out until the summer.