Tell Sarah Palin: Violent threats have consequences

[Anonymous]

People can go ahead and blame Palin but the truth is this man has had it out for the Congresswoman for years. A Department of Homeland Security memo that states Loughner is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance. The Department of Homeland Security says it promotes views that are "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG [Zionist Occupational Government], anti-Semitic." Giffords Jewish.

Loughner also attended one of Giffords events, similar to the one where the shooting took place, and had received a (form letter) thank you note from Giffords back in 2007. It also seems that Loughner had asked her a nonsensical question to which he never received an answer. I believe that he had asked her something along the lines of "How do you know words mean anything". Which is not unlike a question a young child would ask his mother. Example: "Why was the word red chosen for that color?". It's not an easy one to answer, had no relevance to anything and it would make sense that Giffords would ignore such a question. It's too bad that this seems to be what fueled the contempt Loughner had for her.


Palin needs to either tone it down, or just STFU, but that doesn't mean she holds any responsibility in this case. People need to look at all of the evidence that comes in and draw a conclusion from there. Not just jump on the bandwagon and blame the wild woman who has no common sense. However, it does seem to be a good time for Palin to take a long hard look at herself and how she is coming across to others. One could only assume she doesn't want to have this type of publicity or be the one responsible for influencing a similar crime. That's a large cross to bare.


Additionally, we need to look at all of this with some perspective. Blaming Palin is convenient, easy, and gives the false hope that she will just go away. Easy to jump on the bandwagon but people need to think for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Holy shit. Sarah Palin pulled the trigger?

Didn't think so, Einstein.

She is in a position of leadership -- and she wants to be even more. Do Presidents pull triggers in wars or do they LEAD wars? They lead wars, not shoot the actual guns (Einstein).

What is she leading? All I seeher as a person who just had her TV show axed -oooooppppps I mean taken off the air

this situation in AZ is sad, very sad, it was not Sarah Palin getting this guy motivated to go out and do it. That is like saying music is driving people to kill themselves.

A person who is going to kill someone is going to do it, if this guy couldn''t get a gun he would have used something else, imagine if he drove a car into the crowd, do we blame Lee Iacocca?

The bes tthign to do is ignore Sarah Palin, she is a train wreck who will evenutally go away but the more peole pay attention to her the more she continues.

She is not a leader not even close

Normal people can ignore her but the nut-jobs are the ones she is collecting and calling to action. We cannot afford to ignore that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

Double standard much?

I find you annoying. What's with the "much"? Is that regional?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm shocked at the hypocrisy here from OP. the last few crazies we've heard about were ardent Luba or Obama supporters and no one blamed the left for its vileny rhetoric, yet, since a Dem congressperwoman got shot, everyone assumed its due to the conservatives rhetoric and use this opportunity to shut down any opposing voices. Sarah Palin is only a big deal bc the left has made her one. Don't use her as an excuse to become anti first amendment fascists.

There is a difference between "rhetoric" and something as explicit as Palin's cross hairs map. Obviously we can't hold Palin or anyone else technically or legally responsible for the actions of a nut. But politicians using violent analogies, targets, crosshairs, etc. show very poor judgement.

[Anonymous]

The anti-Palin people are conspiracy theorists who are no better than the maniac who pulled the trigger.

[Anonymous]

12:10 Typical rhetoric from a Palin sympathizer. It is no conspiracy to ask her to tell the truth -- these crosshairs represented a gun's, not a surveyor's -- and take responsibility for her actions and vow to refrain from the rhetoric.

That is one wild conspiracy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

22:57 - now Palin is President? Are you for real? I thought people here were supposed to have a brain cell.

Hi. You are as ugly here as you are on facebook.

I'm sorry I didn't realize big brother was monitoring DCUM, but if he did, he'd know I don't have facebook either!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12:10 Typical rhetoric from a Palin sympathizer. It is no conspiracy to ask her to tell the truth -- these crosshairs represented a gun's, not a surveyor's -- and take responsibility for her actions and vow to refrain from the rhetoric.

That is one wild conspiracy!

How do we draw the line for free speech?

[Anonymous]

I think anybody in a position of authority or who has some level of celebrity has a responsibility to be careful of the types of messages that they convey, whether it be a politician, actress, or singer. Don't we hold artists responsible for encouraging suicide in their songs to vulnerable teens and other people who are mentally vulnerable?

Inciting violence of any sort thru any medium is not protected under free speech. This catastrophe is a wake-up call to Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and Fox News et al to be more prudent in their tactics and message.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it is completely awful to focus on any role of politics or Sarah Palin when the uniting call should be on improving mental health access for people. This young man was clearly deranged and not in treatment without any support. I'll sign a petition to improve mental health coverage for Arizona residents but would never link this to a certain politician.

YES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:no tea-party crowd hurled the N word at anyone. that has been disproven. way to buy into the lies.

the violent talk against Palin is worse than anything coming out of her dumb mouth.

John Lewis is a congressman and he heard them say it. Barney Frank says he got called F****t.

Here is Fox News' account, complete with Republican apologies.

It's not like the word has never been used by Tea Party leaders. http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-party-leader-that-claimed-no-slurs-now-famous-for-n-word-sign/ This is no less than Dale Robertson holding a poster with the (ironically misspelled!) word at a rally in Houston.

So given the testimony of members of congress, photographic evidence of the word being used at other rallies, and the apologies of Republican leaders, how in God's name do "prove" it never happened? I'm sure you can provide a clip where someone wasn't saying it, but you can't tape everyone.

[Anonymous]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/21/tea-party-leader-condemns-racial-slurs-hurled-black-lawmakers/

missing link from 13:11

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think anybody in a position of authority or who has some level of celebrity has a responsibility to be careful of the types of messages that they convey, whether it be a politician, actress, or singer. Don't we hold artists responsible for encouraging suicide in their songs to vulnerable teens and other people who are mentally vulnerable?

Inciting violence of any sort thru any medium is not protected under free speech. This catastrophe is a wake-up call to Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and Fox News et al to be more prudent in their tactics and message.

The double standard on this thread is just too much. Why only name conservatives? There are clearly plenty of examples of the same type of speech on the left. This was posted on the thread in the Political forum. Why didn't you list any of these people?

Dems Also Use ‘Target Maps’ for Election Fundraising
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2010/04/...et-map-elections#ixzz1AVKG2NqI

Vice President Biden Wants to Strangle Opponents
http://www.publiusforum.com/2010/10/07/vice-presid...n-wants-to-strangle-opponents/

Slate’s Anti-Wall Street Mob Populism: ‘We Should Go After Them with Pitchforks, Knives, Guns, Clubs…’
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/04/24/...them-pitchforks-#ixzz1AVKXQKft

Stephanie Miller Fantasizes Drunks With Baseball Bats Beating O’Reilly, Bec
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2010...g-oreilly-beck-g#ixzz1AVKkA3v7

Rep Weiner advocates puching Bill O’Reilly in the nose
http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/9...nd-just-show-up-to-f-with-them

Violent Liberal Hate Rhetoric: Fifteen Quotes
http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2010/03...l_hate_rhetoric_fifteen_quotes

WaPo Civility: ‘Knock Every Racist and Homophobic Tooth Out of Their Cro-Magnon Heads’
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2010/03/24...t-their-cro-magn#ixzz1AVLvMhZB

Union memo hints at gov.’s [Christie’s] death
http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/09/union-memo-hints-at-gov-s-death/

Nobel Peace Prize winner wants to kill the President [Bush]?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDrliITbed4

Sandra Bernhardt warning Sarah Palin not to come to NYC or she would “gang raped by my big black brothers” (video completely scrubbed from You Tube) http://media.newsbusters.org/stories/sandra-bernhard-.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People can go ahead and blame Palin but the truth is this man has had it out for the Congresswoman for years. A Department of Homeland Security memo that states Loughner is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance. The Department of Homeland Security says it promotes views that are "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG [Zionist Occupational Government], anti-Semitic." Giffords Jewish.

Loughner also attended one of Giffords events, similar to the one where the shooting took place, and had received a (form letter) thank you note from Giffords back in 2007. It also seems that Loughner had asked her a nonsensical question to which he never received an answer. I believe that he had asked her something along the lines of "How do you know words mean anything". Which is not unlike a question a young child would ask his mother. Example: "Why was the word red chosen for that color?". It's not an easy one to answer, had no relevance to anything and it would make sense that Giffords would ignore such a question. It's too bad that this seems to be what fueled the contempt Loughner had for her.


Palin needs to either tone it down, or just STFU, but that doesn't mean she holds any responsibility in this case. People need to look at all of the evidence that comes in and draw a conclusion from there. Not just jump on the bandwagon and blame the wild woman who has no common sense. However, it does seem to be a good time for Palin to take a long hard look at herself and how she is coming across to others. One could only assume she doesn't want to have this type of publicity or be the one responsible for influencing a similar crime. That's a large cross to bare.


Additionally, we need to look at all of this with some perspective. Blaming Palin is convenient, easy, and gives the false hope that she will just go away. Easy to jump on the bandwagon but people need to think for themselves.

But he only bought a gun in November.

No one is making her solely responsible, but when people use violent metaphors in politics, someone is gong to take it too far, whether they are insane, or whether they are just susceptible to the belief that times are changing and violence is required. You wouldn't joke about killing a person in front of your kids, and politicians and press should not use imagery that implies it or (int the case of Fox) actually say it in front of the public.

[Anonymous]

I think the political speak is getting out of hand and needs to be toned down. I think the Tea party added fuel to that fire over the last few years. I can't stand Sarah Palin or her mama bear followers.

I don't think any website, rhetoric, vote, etc. pushed this guy. He had some interest in her and decided to target her. We don't try to shut down churches when women say they were ordered by god to kill their own children. We don't even imprisonate them. Why? Because they're just crazy.

Did anyone else see the former classmate emails in WaPo?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/jared-loughners-behavior-recor.html