Hantavirus?

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Anonymous wrote:Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

So to be clear, he left the boat early?

He was crew

No, he wasn’t. The amount of misinformation being spread is frustrating. It’s not your fault, the news article articles are inconsistent and confusing.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/hantavirus-cruise-ship-evacuations

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Anonymous wrote:What are the odds that there aren’t any rodents on that ship?

It’s the size of a skyscraper and rodents and ships are peas in a pod.

Unless the passengers are personally cleaning the areas of rodent infestation, it is doubtful they all got it the normal way. It has been confirmed that this is the Andes hantavirus that can be spread through human to human contact.

Which is not a novel virus, and only a small minority of the hundreds of cruise ship passengers contracted it from the couple who boarded the ship from Argentina while infected. Also, the article a PP posted says that south african authorities reached out to something like 50-60 people who may have had contact with one of the cruise ship passengers- airplane passengers, etc- and zero of them have tested positive. So again- thankfully it does not seem easy to transmit. If this had been covid in 2020, something like 75% of those contacts would have it. Remember the covid cruise ships?? Like every one of those people ended up testing postiive.

Out of 62 exposed in airport, only 42 have been found and tested.

And not a single one is sick.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the odds that there aren’t any rodents on that ship?

It’s the size of a skyscraper and rodents and ships are peas in a pod.

Unless the passengers are personally cleaning the areas of rodent infestation, it is doubtful they all got it the normal way. It has been confirmed that this is the Andes hantavirus that can be spread through human to human contact.

Which is not a novel virus, and only a small minority of the hundreds of cruise ship passengers contracted it from the couple who boarded the ship from Argentina while infected. Also, the article a PP posted says that south african authorities reached out to something like 50-60 people who may have had contact with one of the cruise ship passengers- airplane passengers, etc- and zero of them have tested positive. So again- thankfully it does not seem easy to transmit. If this had been covid in 2020, something like 75% of those contacts would have it. Remember the covid cruise ships?? Like every one of those people ended up testing postiive.

Out of 62 exposed in airport, only 42 have been found and tested.

And not a single one is sick.

True, though the incubation period can be weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are slamming cruise ships but I think this would be much worse if this was a standard vacation where people were traveling on land and changing hotels regularly. The real issue is the wildlife vacations where people are hanging out with wildlife that doesn’t normally see a lot of human activity. That’s probably how the first couple picked it up. I wish they would give a little more detail about the infected crew members — did they interact closely with the infected couple?

This seems particularly not great because at least one infected person got off the boat midway and then flew halfway round the world. At least one person on that flight was infected. Anyone else? And where all have they been, and were they coughing? It actually seems like this strain might have a pretty high transmission rate once the infected person is actually coughing.

Where are you getting this info that someone from a fight got infected from a cruise ship passenger? I haven't seen that anywhere but this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

Some news articles are making it sound like it’s one cruise ship and everyone is quarantine, but that’s not the case because some people are already back at home and presenting with symptoms.

That person was from the cruise ship. They didn't give it to anyone else off the cruise ship! I can't tell if you want to fear monger or if you just can't read critically.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t heard about new cases reported in the countries that are treating the cruise ship staff/patients.
This is why I don’t do cruises (other than the small motor sailboat yacht in Galapagos) - viruses can fly through the passengers like wildfire.

After the norovirus and diarrhea cruises, I don't understand why anyone would do it.

We took a Regent luxury cruise to Alaska. It was a great way to see the inland passage on a smaller ship.

Maam, I've had norovirus and I don't recommend it. Cruise ships are vectors of gastro intestinal disease, which spreads because people don't wash their hands. You cruised with ?hundreds of people. I wouldn't cruise for any reason. Not worth it.

Ma’am, I’ve been on over 20 cruises. Never been sick. I wash my hands regularly.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

Some news articles are making it sound like it’s one cruise ship and everyone is quarantine, but that’s not the case because some people are already back at home and presenting with symptoms.

That person was from the cruise ship. They didn't give it to anyone else off the cruise ship! I can't tell if you want to fear monger or if you just can't read critically.

I thought it had a 1-8 week incubation period and he got off the ship last week - how can you tell yet he didn't give it to anyone.

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There is one confirmed case of a person on the ship who disembarked early infecting someone on land at their home.

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Anonymous wrote:There is one confirmed case of a person on the ship who disembarked early infecting someone on land at their home.

I haven't seen any article that says that (but I believe you, if you saw it). But that still shows transmission to a very close contact. Not a random airport worker.

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Anonymous wrote:There is one confirmed case of a person on the ship who disembarked early infecting someone on land at their home.

That's the French case, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

Some news articles are making it sound like it’s one cruise ship and everyone is quarantine, but that’s not the case because some people are already back at home and presenting with symptoms.

That person was from the cruise ship. They didn't give it to anyone else off the cruise ship! I can't tell if you want to fear monger or if you just can't read critically.

I thought it had a 1-8 week incubation period and he got off the ship last week - how can you tell yet he didn't give it to anyone.

Is it transmissible before symptoms start?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

Some news articles are making it sound like it’s one cruise ship and everyone is quarantine, but that’s not the case because some people are already back at home and presenting with symptoms.

That person was from the cruise ship. They didn't give it to anyone else off the cruise ship! I can't tell if you want to fear monger or if you just can't read critically.

I thought it had a 1-8 week incubation period and he got off the ship last week - how can you tell yet he didn't give it to anyone.

Is it transmissible before symptoms start?

Many viruses work that way. Eg COVID. An infected person will shed virus and infect others even though they do not yet realize they are sick. It’s called the incubation period.

[Anonymous]

From AP:

“THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Dozens of passengers left a cruise ship hit by a deadly hantavirus outbreak on April 24 without contact tracing, nearly two weeks after the first passenger died on board, the ship operator and Dutch officials said Thursday.

The people who left the ship to return to their home countries were of at least 12 different nationalities, Oceanwide Expeditions said. It said there were also two people whose nationalities were unknow”

Not good.

[Anonymous]

Even this type of Hanta is not airborne. It’s (in rare cases) transmitted via bodily fluid. While it’s sad for all these people, I think that for everyone else it’s just their Covid PTSD talking.

[Anonymous]

Again, it is aerosolized from rodent droppings. It is airborne. However, human to human transmission is believed to be through bodily fluids.