Hantavirus?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Okay if anyone cares I found the article talking about the outbreak in Argentina about a decade ago, where one person went to a birthday party with 100 people and gave it to 10 of them. I think the person was actively sick though, with a fever and coughing.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040

I’m very curious about the jobs of the people on the ship that got sick. It’s been reported one was tj doctor but I wonder if the other two were people that were actively helping the man who got so sick. If he was sick enough to die on the boat he probably needed assistance getting to the sick bay or getting to his room or whatever.

One of the main criticism of that New England journal article was that the authors sequenced the virus, found that the patients had the same strain, but did not investigate whether they had a common exposure other than the party, especially since most of them lived in the same town. Some of the patients had minimal contact with the index case. Perhaps they had gotten infected by an environmental exposure in town - we don’t know because they didn’t look for any other cause.

The other thing we know is that in several studies, after a clusters of Andes virus infections, they did bloodwork on the health care workers and the town residents and no one had antibodies to hantavirus, meaning that they had not been exposed to the virus despite having human to human contact with the patients.

I am the retired ID doc and I would love to have the epidemiologist chime in here - I think the number of infected patients points to either rare human to human transmission from a unique situation that entailed l sustained and close contact, or a shared exposure. The shared exposure seems less likely because both crew and passengers were infected. If it were just passengers, it would point to an exposure from an excursion.

On the bright side, I suppose that the 100+ people on the norovirus plagued cruise ship can at least be relieved they have norovirus and not hantavirus.

This is very interesting, thanks. I didn’t see that a crew member was infected? I saw just passengers. Either way, even though they are assuming that it was from a bird watching trip, couldn’t it be possible that it was from a rodent infestation on the ship?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even this type of Hanta is not airborne. It’s (in rare cases) transmitted via bodily fluid. While it’s sad for all these people, I think that for everyone else it’s just their Covid PTSD talking.

I don’t think so, some of us are interested in viruses, others feel terrified because we have no one in a position of authority who can protect or guide us anymore.
For all parties, we still have CIDRAP and the WHO. They are reliable and valid sources for information.

You felt protected by the Biden CDC and Fauci during COVID? It is well documented, and many of us in public health could tell at the time, that they were just making up a response without real scientific evidence. They also rushed forward mass immunizing the public, so that any reasonable experiment on longer term efficacy and safety was impossible (without large controls.) The mortality rate/risk of the infection was grossly overestimated for nearly everyone. I guess you were their target audience.

I’m not going to argue with you, it derails the thread. I like to stick to topic.
I will warn you, you will be reported for spreading your anti vax nonsense. Take it somewhere else.

Anti-vax? You need to work on your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

Argentina needs to focus on reducing its rat population. CNN reporting hantavirus cases doubled in Argentina over the last year. Eww.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay if anyone cares I found the article talking about the outbreak in Argentina about a decade ago, where one person went to a birthday party with 100 people and gave it to 10 of them. I think the person was actively sick though, with a fever and coughing.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040

I’m very curious about the jobs of the people on the ship that got sick. It’s been reported one was tj doctor but I wonder if the other two were people that were actively helping the man who got so sick. If he was sick enough to die on the boat he probably needed assistance getting to the sick bay or getting to his room or whatever.

One of the main criticism of that New England journal article was that the authors sequenced the virus, found that the patients had the same strain, but did not investigate whether they had a common exposure other than the party, especially since most of them lived in the same town. Some of the patients had minimal contact with the index case. Perhaps they had gotten infected by an environmental exposure in town - we don’t know because they didn’t look for any other cause.

The other thing we know is that in several studies, after a clusters of Andes virus infections, they did bloodwork on the health care workers and the town residents and no one had antibodies to hantavirus, meaning that they had not been exposed to the virus despite having human to human contact with the patients.

I am the retired ID doc and I would love to have the epidemiologist chime in here - I think the number of infected patients points to either rare human to human transmission from a unique situation that entailed l sustained and close contact, or a shared exposure. The shared exposure seems less likely because both crew and passengers were infected. If it were just passengers, it would point to an exposure from an excursion.

On the bright side, I suppose that the 100+ people on the norovirus plagued cruise ship can at least be relieved they have norovirus and not hantavirus.

This is very interesting, thanks. I didn’t see that a crew member was infected? I saw just passengers. Either way, even though they are assuming that it was from a bird watching trip, couldn’t it be possible that it was from a rodent infestation on the ship?

Apologies, I am probably mistaken there - I thought that there was one crew member that was positive, but perhaps they just had symptoms of some sort.

And by the way, you might be wondering why hantavirus is not easily spread from human to human unlike other viruses like the flu, it’s because influenza hijacks our cells to replicate virus particles, then it kills the cell and the virus is released into our airways. Hantavirus also hijacks our cells to replicate virus particles, but it doesn’t kill the host cell, and instead causes a frenzied overexuberant immune response that kills us. So there isn’t a massive amount of viral particles being expelled in our airways. That is why if it is indeed transmissible between humans, it requires unusually close contact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay if anyone cares I found the article talking about the outbreak in Argentina about a decade ago, where one person went to a birthday party with 100 people and gave it to 10 of them. I think the person was actively sick though, with a fever and coughing.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040

I’m very curious about the jobs of the people on the ship that got sick. It’s been reported one was tj doctor but I wonder if the other two were people that were actively helping the man who got so sick. If he was sick enough to die on the boat he probably needed assistance getting to the sick bay or getting to his room or whatever.

One of the main criticism of that New England journal article was that the authors sequenced the virus, found that the patients had the same strain, but did not investigate whether they had a common exposure other than the party, especially since most of them lived in the same town. Some of the patients had minimal contact with the index case. Perhaps they had gotten infected by an environmental exposure in town - we don’t know because they didn’t look for any other cause.

The other thing we know is that in several studies, after a clusters of Andes virus infections, they did bloodwork on the health care workers and the town residents and no one had antibodies to hantavirus, meaning that they had not been exposed to the virus despite having human to human contact with the patients.

I am the retired ID doc and I would love to have the epidemiologist chime in here - I think the number of infected patients points to either rare human to human transmission from a unique situation that entailed l sustained and close contact, or a shared exposure. The shared exposure seems less likely because both crew and passengers were infected. If it were just passengers, it would point to an exposure from an excursion.

On the bright side, I suppose that the 100+ people on the norovirus plagued cruise ship can at least be relieved they have norovirus and not hantavirus.

This is very interesting, thanks. I didn’t see that a crew member was infected? I saw just passengers. Either way, even though they are assuming that it was from a bird watching trip, couldn’t it be possible that it was from a rodent infestation on the ship?

Apologies, I am probably mistaken there - I thought that there was one crew member that was positive, but perhaps they just had symptoms of some sort.

And by the way, you might be wondering why hantavirus is not easily spread from human to human unlike other viruses like the flu, it’s because influenza hijacks our cells to replicate virus particles, then it kills the cell and the virus is released into our airways. Hantavirus also hijacks our cells to replicate virus particles, but it doesn’t kill the host cell, and instead causes a frenzied overexuberant immune response that kills us. So there isn’t a massive amount of viral particles being expelled in our airways. That is why if it is indeed transmissible between humans, it requires unusually close contact.

Interesting- so similar to a cytokine storm, but just causes it super frequently, unlike deaths from cytokine storm from the flu?

[Anonymous]

One of the repatriated French passengers showed symptoms on their flight back.

[Anonymous]

One of the people now sick sat behind one of the sick Dutch former passengers on an airplane. So that throws out the idea they all got it from direct exposure to a rodent or close contact with someone who had it. And yet that is what they keep repeating.

[Anonymous]

I’m just here for the panic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even this type of Hanta is not airborne. It’s (in rare cases) transmitted via bodily fluid. While it’s sad for all these people, I think that for everyone else it’s just their Covid PTSD talking.

I don’t think so, some of us are interested in viruses, others feel terrified because we have no one in a position of authority who can protect or guide us anymore.
For all parties, we still have CIDRAP and the WHO. They are reliable and valid sources for information.

You felt protected by the Biden CDC and Fauci during COVID? It is well documented, and many of us in public health could tell at the time, that they were just making up a response without real scientific evidence. They also rushed forward mass immunizing the public, so that any reasonable experiment on longer term efficacy and safety was impossible (without large controls.) The mortality rate/risk of the infection was grossly overestimated for nearly everyone. I guess you were their target audience.

I’m not going to argue with you, it derails the thread. I like to stick to topic.
I will warn you, you will be reported for spreading your anti vax nonsense. Take it somewhere else.

Agreed. It's disgusting hearing this crap again. Biden, CDC, and Fauci were not "making up crap" and all the intelligent adults know this. The Covid vaccines saved lives. I can't believe we still have idjits comparing covid to the flu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the people now sick sat behind one of the sick Dutch former passengers on an airplane. So that throws out the idea they all got it from direct exposure to a rodent or close contact with someone who had it. And yet that is what they keep repeating.

I have heard of casual contacts being sick and getting tested (plane passengers that were near positive individuals from the cruise before it got locked down) but not of any of those sick people being positive for hantavirus in the end . In other words, they just caught a regular cold or flu from somewhere. Have you seen an article that says it has spread with a positive test to anyone outside the cruise ship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even this type of Hanta is not airborne. It’s (in rare cases) transmitted via bodily fluid. While it’s sad for all these people, I think that for everyone else it’s just their Covid PTSD talking.

I don’t think so, some of us are interested in viruses, others feel terrified because we have no one in a position of authority who can protect or guide us anymore.
For all parties, we still have CIDRAP and the WHO. They are reliable and valid sources for information.

You felt protected by the Biden CDC and Fauci during COVID? It is well documented, and many of us in public health could tell at the time, that they were just making up a response without real scientific evidence. They also rushed forward mass immunizing the public, so that any reasonable experiment on longer term efficacy and safety was impossible (without large controls.) The mortality rate/risk of the infection was grossly overestimated for nearly everyone. I guess you were their target audience.

I’m not going to argue with you, it derails the thread. I like to stick to topic.
I will warn you, you will be reported for spreading your anti vax nonsense. Take it somewhere else.

Agreed. It's disgusting hearing this crap again. Biden, CDC, and Fauci were not "making up crap" and all the intelligent adults know this. The Covid vaccines saved lives. I can't believe we still have idjits comparing covid to the flu.

You obviously don’t follow either scientific literature or the news, which widely covered their email chains. You used the word “crap,” I didn’t. Policies, yes, made up.

[Anonymous]

Our government today said someone only "mildly" tested positive. Your either + or - there is no mildly positive with the fatality rate of 60-70%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Epidemiologist’s flow chart on how worried you should be—

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/07/opinion/hantavirus-cruise-ship-virus-outbreak.html?unlocked_article_code=1.g1A.4Gq2.xi1ar-46VKX1&smid=nytcore-ios-share

They did the exact same thing with COVID telling people to go celebrate Chinese New Year and hug a Chinese person. Then in March they turned on a dime and said stay in your house and even an empty beach was too risky.
They shot their wad so to speak. No one will believe epidemiologists again until they talk about that.

But this isn’t a novel virus. It’s been documented in Argentina including the human to human transmission for decades.

Aren't people from that region of Argentina traveling internationally everyday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Epidemiologist’s flow chart on how worried you should be—

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/07/opinion/hantavirus-cruise-ship-virus-outbreak.html?unlocked_article_code=1.g1A.4Gq2.xi1ar-46VKX1&smid=nytcore-ios-share

They did the exact same thing with COVID telling people to go celebrate Chinese New Year and hug a Chinese person. Then in March they turned on a dime and said stay in your house and even an empty beach was too risky.
They shot their wad so to speak. No one will believe epidemiologists again until they talk about that.

But this isn’t a novel virus. It’s been documented in Argentina including the human to human transmission for decades.

Aren't people from that region of Argentina traveling internationally everyday?

There is disagreement about which region. Terra del Fuego has no cases ever recorded. There are other parts of Argentina where hantavirus is endemic, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our government today said someone only "mildly" tested positive. Your either + or - there is no mildly positive with the fatality rate of 60-70%.

It’s ridiculous. They seem so intent on not causing panic that they are not sharing vital information or severely downplaying the information shared.
You can’t tell me all of these people had prolonged close contact with the people who died. Unless this was some kind of swingers cruise??