EO for banks to require citizenship information?

[Anonymous]

I was under the impression that Congress makes Banking laws. I just looked it up and I am correct that it is the Congress that makes banking laws . Trump can stick his EO where the sun doesn't shine!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was under the impression that Congress makes Banking laws. I just looked it up and I am correct that it is the Congress that makes banking laws . Trump can stick his EO where the sun doesn't shine!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How will a small credit union in Nebraska be able to verify an 80 year old birthcertificate from Alabama or understand immigration laws well enough to determine immigration status for foreign citizens? Good luck. A looming banking crisis with wide repercussions (watch what will happen when large numbers of people, including many many citizens, are suddenly cut off from paying their bills).

You really think people in Nebraska are unable to figure this out?

The bank in Nebraska will be fine, the elderly people who are barely making ends meet who use the bank, not so much.

My grandmother never had a birth certificate and never needed one until she was in her 70s. She had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to get one when she eventually needed one. White ancestors in the US since the 1600s.

Most people did not have to produce all this documentation on a regular basis until after 9-11, and emphasis on having ids to prove who you were all the time, with the exception of driver's licenses, didn't even start until the 1980s.

I remember walking into a DMV is a new state in the 90s, and only needing my old state driver's license and a utility bill for my new place.

If you are going make every rural person over 80 in the US provide a birth certificate or a passport, good luck with that.

1. Your grandmother never worked or collected Social Security? My parents did not have birth certificates (I am a senior citizen.) They had to get documentation in order to collect their Social Security that proved their age. This was long, long before 9/11. In fact, I recall my dad talking about getting his elderly aunt documentation of her birth. This would have been in the 1950s. She was born in the nineteenth century.
2. We just opened a new bank account. And, guess what they wanted? SSN and ID
3. Yes, you were able to get a drivers' license with your old state one because they had reciprocal agreements about proof of identity. The utility bill was to prove residence.
4. It would be the rare rural person over 80 who does not collect Social Security. Documentation of birth is required to collect it.

It amazes me how many people on DCUM think that rural people and old people are uneducated and dumb.
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There are a lot of different jobs where you do not collect social security. United States postal system and many teachers pensions as well as other state employees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How will a small credit union in Nebraska be able to verify an 80 year old birthcertificate from Alabama or understand immigration laws well enough to determine immigration status for foreign citizens? Good luck. A looming banking crisis with wide repercussions (watch what will happen when large numbers of people, including many many citizens, are suddenly cut off from paying their bills).

You really think people in Nebraska are unable to figure this out?

The bank in Nebraska will be fine, the elderly people who are barely making ends meet who use the bank, not so much.

My grandmother never had a birth certificate and never needed one until she was in her 70s. She had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to get one when she eventually needed one. White ancestors in the US since the 1600s.

Most people did not have to produce all this documentation on a regular basis until after 9-11, and emphasis on having ids to prove who you were all the time, with the exception of driver's licenses, didn't even start until the 1980s.

I remember walking into a DMV is a new state in the 90s, and only needing my old state driver's license and a utility bill for my new place.

If you are going make every rural person over 80 in the US provide a birth certificate or a passport, good luck with that.

1. Your grandmother never worked or collected Social Security? My parents did not have birth certificates (I am a senior citizen.) They had to get documentation in order to collect their Social Security that proved their age. This was long, long before 9/11. In fact, I recall my dad talking about getting his elderly aunt documentation of her birth. This would have been in the 1950s. She was born in the nineteenth century.
2. We just opened a new bank account. And, guess what they wanted? SSN and ID
3. Yes, you were able to get a drivers' license with your old state one because they had reciprocal agreements about proof of identity. The utility bill was to prove residence.
4. It would be the rare rural person over 80 who does not collect Social Security. Documentation of birth is required to collect it.

It amazes me how many people on DCUM think that rural people and old people are uneducated and dumb.
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3.

There are a lot of different jobs where you do not collect social security. United States postal system and many teachers pensions as well as other state employees.

No one is getting a pension without ID.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How will a small credit union in Nebraska be able to verify an 80 year old birthcertificate from Alabama or understand immigration laws well enough to determine immigration status for foreign citizens? Good luck. A looming banking crisis with wide repercussions (watch what will happen when large numbers of people, including many many citizens, are suddenly cut off from paying their bills).

You really think people in Nebraska are unable to figure this out?

The bank in Nebraska will be fine, the elderly people who are barely making ends meet who use the bank, not so much.

My grandmother never had a birth certificate and never needed one until she was in her 70s. She had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to get one when she eventually needed one. White ancestors in the US since the 1600s.

Most people did not have to produce all this documentation on a regular basis until after 9-11, and emphasis on having ids to prove who you were all the time, with the exception of driver's licenses, didn't even start until the 1980s.

I remember walking into a DMV is a new state in the 90s, and only needing my old state driver's license and a utility bill for my new place.

If you are going make every rural person over 80 in the US provide a birth certificate or a passport, good luck with that.

1. Your grandmother never worked or collected Social Security? My parents did not have birth certificates (I am a senior citizen.) They had to get documentation in order to collect their Social Security that proved their age. This was long, long before 9/11. In fact, I recall my dad talking about getting his elderly aunt documentation of her birth. This would have been in the 1950s. She was born in the nineteenth century.
2. We just opened a new bank account. And, guess what they wanted? SSN and ID
3. Yes, you were able to get a drivers' license with your old state one because they had reciprocal agreements about proof of identity. The utility bill was to prove residence.
4. It would be the rare rural person over 80 who does not collect Social Security. Documentation of birth is required to collect it.

It amazes me how many people on DCUM think that rural people and old people are uneducated and dumb.
.
3.

1. My grandmother never worked outside the home, no. Only when my grandfather died did my mom try to jump through all the hoops to get grandma an official birth certificate,. because she was born at home in a other state and never had one. Eventually she was able to get a "delayed birth certificate" but it took quite a while.

2. And they didn't need an official copy of your birth certificate and / a passport. Which Republicans wants to enforce.

3. Yes, I was able to get a driver's license in the *1990s* with my old license and a utility bill. The next three states I moved to, post 9-11, I had to take a folder with every available form of ID I had including birth certificate and passport. Virginia issued my birth certificate as a plastic card back in the 70s, so I had to pay and request official paper copies so they would be accepted.

Two of my MAGA family members have not been able to qualify for a state "Real ID" because they haven't been able to get their own official paperwork together. They've lived in the same place their whole lives and the Real ID requirement was the first time proving who they were was foist upon them. Unfortunately for them, they have been divorced a lot. I've tried to help them, and found all the dates they were married and divorced, and given them step by step directions on how to order everything and they can't seem to follow through.

4. Yes, my mom was eventually able to get my grandmother her social security after about a year worth of paperwork. It was made even harder by the fact that no one who witnessed Grandma's birth (at home, never registered) was still alive.

5. My grandmother and all the relatives I am talking about live in a city in Virginia, and aren't "rural" residents.

But, hey, if you want many MAGAs not to be able to vote or have banking services, it's ok with me at this point..

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Anonymous wrote:How will a small credit union in Nebraska be able to verify an 80 year old birthcertificate from Alabama or understand immigration laws well enough to determine immigration status for foreign citizens? Good luck. A looming banking crisis with wide repercussions (watch what will happen when large numbers of people, including many many citizens, are suddenly cut off from paying their bills).

You really think people in Nebraska are unable to figure this out?

The bank in Nebraska will be fine, the elderly people who are barely making ends meet who use the bank, not so much.

My grandmother never had a birth certificate and never needed one until she was in her 70s. She had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to get one when she eventually needed one. White ancestors in the US since the 1600s.

Most people did not have to produce all this documentation on a regular basis until after 9-11, and emphasis on having ids to prove who you were all the time, with the exception of driver's licenses, didn't even start until the 1980s.

I remember walking into a DMV is a new state in the 90s, and only needing my old state driver's license and a utility bill for my new place.

If you are going make every rural person over 80 in the US provide a birth certificate or a passport, good luck with that.

1. Your grandmother never worked or collected Social Security? My parents did not have birth certificates (I am a senior citizen.) They had to get documentation in order to collect their Social Security that proved their age. This was long, long before 9/11. In fact, I recall my dad talking about getting his elderly aunt documentation of her birth. This would have been in the 1950s. She was born in the nineteenth century.
2. We just opened a new bank account. And, guess what they wanted? SSN and ID
3. Yes, you were able to get a drivers' license with your old state one because they had reciprocal agreements about proof of identity. The utility bill was to prove residence.
4. It would be the rare rural person over 80 who does not collect Social Security. Documentation of birth is required to collect it.

It amazes me how many people on DCUM think that rural people and old people are uneducated and dumb.
.
3.

There are a lot of different jobs where you do not collect social security. United States postal system and many teachers pensions as well as other state employees.

No one is getting a pension without ID.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How will a small credit union in Nebraska be able to verify an 80 year old birthcertificate from Alabama or understand immigration laws well enough to determine immigration status for foreign citizens? Good luck. A looming banking crisis with wide repercussions (watch what will happen when large numbers of people, including many many citizens, are suddenly cut off from paying their bills).

You really think people in Nebraska are unable to figure this out?

The bank in Nebraska will be fine, the elderly people who are barely making ends meet who use the bank, not so much.

My grandmother never had a birth certificate and never needed one until she was in her 70s. She had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to get one when she eventually needed one. White ancestors in the US since the 1600s.

Most people did not have to produce all this documentation on a regular basis until after 9-11, and emphasis on having ids to prove who you were all the time, with the exception of driver's licenses, didn't even start until the 1980s.

I remember walking into a DMV is a new state in the 90s, and only needing my old state driver's license and a utility bill for my new place.

If you are going make every rural person over 80 in the US provide a birth certificate or a passport, good luck with that.

1. Your grandmother never worked or collected Social Security? My parents did not have birth certificates (I am a senior citizen.) They had to get documentation in order to collect their Social Security that proved their age. This was long, long before 9/11. In fact, I recall my dad talking about getting his elderly aunt documentation of her birth. This would have been in the 1950s. She was born in the nineteenth century.
2. We just opened a new bank account. And, guess what they wanted? SSN and ID
3. Yes, you were able to get a drivers' license with your old state one because they had reciprocal agreements about proof of identity. The utility bill was to prove residence.
4. It would be the rare rural person over 80 who does not collect Social Security. Documentation of birth is required to collect it.

It amazes me how many people on DCUM think that rural people and old people are uneducated and dumb.
.
3.

1. My grandmother never worked outside the home, no. Only when my grandfather died did my mom try to jump through all the hoops to get grandma an official birth certificate,. because she was born at home in a other state and never had one. Eventually she was able to get a "delayed birth certificate" but it took quite a while.

2. And they didn't need an official copy of your birth certificate and / a passport. Which Republicans wants to enforce.

3. Yes, I was able to get a driver's license in the *1990s* with my old license and a utility bill. The next three states I moved to, post 9-11, I had to take a folder with every available form of ID I had including birth certificate and passport. Virginia issued my birth certificate as a plastic card back in the 70s, so I had to pay and request official paper copies so they would be accepted.

Two of my MAGA family members have not been able to qualify for a state "Real ID" because they haven't been able to get their own official paperwork together. They've lived in the same place their whole lives and the Real ID requirement was the first time proving who they were was foist upon them. Unfortunately for them, they have been divorced a lot. I've tried to help them, and found all the dates they were married and divorced, and given them step by step directions on how to order everything and they can't seem to follow through.

4. Yes, my mom was eventually able to get my grandmother her social security after about a year worth of paperwork. It was made even harder by the fact that no one who witnessed Grandma's birth (at home, never registered) was still alive.

5. My grandmother and all the relatives I am talking about live in a city in Virginia, and aren't "rural" residents.

But, hey, if you want many MAGAs not to be able to vote or have banking services, it's ok with me at this point..

I find it hard to believe that any individual less than 100 years old living in a city in VA doesn't have a birth certificate, even if born at home. I can believe it if someone is over 100.

[Anonymous]

Wouldn't it have been nice if Democrats hadn't rolled out the elred carpet. I mean for all the whining it's your fault suck it up buttercup.

Having said that I'd much rather this than pay for ICE. I mean ICE is fine, but this seems like a much cheaper way to get it done. I really never understood why our financial industry was allowed to provide services to foreign nationals. I mean I can understand holding money for a temporary Visa holder, but issuing mortgages. Then they whine when they have to leave. Talk about moral hazard.

[Anonymous]

But at least banking as a human sex trafficker, is fine. Les Wexner and other degenerates moving funds to Epstein...totally fine.

[Anonymous]

Progressives so wanted to be like Europe! Progressives love big government solutions and the nanny state.

But suddenly....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But at least banking as a human sex trafficker, is fine. Les Wexner and other degenerates moving funds to Epstein...totally fine.

Oh you loved your cartels, coyotes and human smuggling.

What happened? Change of heart?

[Anonymous]

My grandmother never worked outside the home, no. Only when my grandfather died did my mom try to jump through all the hoops to get grandma an official birth certificate,. because she was born at home in a other state and never had one. Eventually she was able to get a "delayed birth certificate" but it took quite a while.

Do you know that spouses receive spousal Social Security. Generally half of what the spouse who worked receives. So your grandmother did not collect that before grandfather died?

Lots of spouses worked but might not have worked long enough to collect on their own and they get Social Security based on partner's benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Progressives so wanted to be like Europe! Progressives love big government solutions and the nanny state.

But suddenly....

But European countries also have standardized birth certificates etc. And if you want a large part of the existing population to go underground, stop paying taxes, well, not giving them access to banking will do that. They won't just disappear.

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing if they wanted to make this rule for opening new accounts - but they want to apply it to existing account holders. Ridiculous. There have to be millions of people out there who don't have passports and whose current name does not match their birth certificate.

Updating personal information is not that difficult.

Not that difficult FOR YOU. Some of us have disabled and/or elderly family members who this is actually a burden for. And it’s their money

Absolutely. My mom is in her late 80s and isn't in great shape, and her bank is the one she's had for decades in Pennsylvania. I'm **hoping** her birth certificate and marriage certificate are in a drawer in her apartment, but I have no idea if it is or not. I know for sure her passport is long expired.
And let's pretend I can find all her paperwork (because she's not doing it, I am. In the midst of a full time job and raising children.) Then what? Does she need to present them in person? In Pennsylvania? So now I need to get her there somehow. (Hi, it's me. I'm the somehow.)
At that point it's probably easier for us to have her just open a new account here with a national bank instead of a local credit union. Great for Wells Fargo, I guess. Will we be able to just transfer her money even if we haven't "proven" her citizenship?

I'm confident we'll figure it out. I'm also confident it will take days of my life to deal with it. For no benefit.

Cash under the mattress sounds better and better.

F Trump and all his cronies and supporters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How will a small credit union in Nebraska be able to verify an 80 year old birthcertificate from Alabama or understand immigration laws well enough to determine immigration status for foreign citizens? Good luck. A looming banking crisis with wide repercussions (watch what will happen when large numbers of people, including many many citizens, are suddenly cut off from paying their bills).

You really think people in Nebraska are unable to figure this out?

The bank in Nebraska will be fine, the elderly people who are barely making ends meet who use the bank, not so much.

My grandmother never had a birth certificate and never needed one until she was in her 70s. She had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to get one when she eventually needed one. White ancestors in the US since the 1600s.

Most people did not have to produce all this documentation on a regular basis until after 9-11, and emphasis on having ids to prove who you were all the time, with the exception of driver's licenses, didn't even start until the 1980s.

I remember walking into a DMV is a new state in the 90s, and only needing my old state driver's license and a utility bill for my new place.

If you are going make every rural person over 80 in the US provide a birth certificate or a passport, good luck with that.

1. Your grandmother never worked or collected Social Security? My parents did not have birth certificates (I am a senior citizen.) They had to get documentation in order to collect their Social Security that proved their age. This was long, long before 9/11. In fact, I recall my dad talking about getting his elderly aunt documentation of her birth. This would have been in the 1950s. She was born in the nineteenth century.
2. We just opened a new bank account. And, guess what they wanted? SSN and ID
3. Yes, you were able to get a drivers' license with your old state one because they had reciprocal agreements about proof of identity. The utility bill was to prove residence.
4. It would be the rare rural person over 80 who does not collect Social Security. Documentation of birth is required to collect it.

It amazes me how many people on DCUM think that rural people and old people are uneducated and dumb.
.
3.

There are a lot of different jobs where you do not collect social security. United States postal system and many teachers pensions as well as other state employees.

No one is getting a pension without ID.

Just as people have said over and over again with regards to the stupid save act... "ID" and "proof of citizenship" are two different things.