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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How will a small credit union in Nebraska be able to verify an 80 year old birthcertificate from Alabama or understand immigration laws well enough to determine immigration status for foreign citizens? Good luck. A looming banking crisis with wide repercussions (watch what will happen when large numbers of people, including many many citizens, are suddenly cut off from paying their bills).[/quote]

You really think people in Nebraska are unable to figure this out?  [/quote]

The bank in Nebraska will be fine, the elderly people who are barely making ends meet who use the bank, not so much.

My grandmother never had a birth certificate and never needed one until she was in her 70s. She had to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to get one when she eventually needed one. White ancestors in the US since the 1600s.

Most people did not have to produce all this documentation on a regular basis until after 9-11, and emphasis on having ids to prove who you were all the time, with the exception of driver's licenses, didn't even start until the 1980s.

I remember walking into a DMV is a new state in the 90s, and only needing my old state driver's license and a utility bill for my new place.

If you are going make every rural person over 80 in the US provide a birth certificate or a passport, good luck with that. [/quote]

1.  Your grandmother never worked or collected Social Security?    My parents did not have birth certificates (I am a senior citizen.)  They had to get documentation in order to collect their Social Security that proved their age.  This was long, long before 9/11.  In fact, I recall my dad talking about getting his elderly aunt documentation of her birth.  This would have been in the 1950s. She was born in the nineteenth century.
2. We just opened a new bank account.  And, guess what they wanted?  SSN and ID
3. Yes, you were able to get a drivers' license with your old state one because they had reciprocal agreements about proof of identity.  The utility bill was to prove residence.
4. It would be the rare rural person over 80 who does not collect Social Security.  Documentation of birth is required to collect it.

It amazes me how many people on DCUM think that rural people and old people are uneducated and dumb.
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1. My grandmother never worked outside the home, no. Only when my grandfather died did my mom try to jump through all the hoops to get grandma an official birth certificate,. because she was born at home in a other state and never had one. Eventually she was able to get a "delayed birth certificate" but it took quite a while.

2. And they didn't need an official copy of your birth certificate and / a passport. Which Republicans wants to enforce.

3. Yes, I was able to get a driver's license in the *1990s* with my old license and a utility bill. The next three states I moved to, post 9-11, I had to take a folder with every available form of ID I had including birth certificate and passport. Virginia issued my birth certificate as a plastic card back in the 70s, so I had to pay and request official paper copies so they would be accepted.

Two of my MAGA family members have not been able to qualify for a state "Real ID" because they haven't been able to get their own official paperwork together. They've lived in the same place their whole lives and the Real ID requirement was the first time proving who they were was foist upon them. Unfortunately for them, they have been divorced a lot. I've tried to help them, and found all the dates they were married and divorced, and given them step by step directions on  how to order everything and they can't seem to follow through.

4. Yes, my mom was eventually able to get my grandmother her social security after about a year worth of paperwork. It was made even harder by the fact that no one who witnessed Grandma's birth (at home, never registered) was still alive.

5. My grandmother and all the relatives I am talking about live in a city in Virginia, and aren't "rural" residents.

But, hey, if you want many MAGAs not to be able to vote or have banking services, it's ok with me at this point..[/quote]

I find it hard to believe that any individual less than 100 years old living in a city in VA doesn't have a birth certificate, even if born at home. I can believe it if someone is over 100.  [/quote]

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