Touse out of reach for non-Southern students in SEC?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the DD want to be in a sorority with girls from the same geographical area? Isn’t making connections / networking one of the goals of joining a Greek house? I would much rather my kid join a house with kids from all over, mostly from the NE, where many of the higher paying jobs can be found.

The highest paying jobs are moving to the South.

Equities in Dallas used to be an insult. Now it's becoming the goal.

Mamdani is accelerating the exodus.

Hi Ivan. Really working the narrative, huh? Can’t believe you get paid for this.

NP. I get angry when someone accuses an upstanding American "foyine girls" former Greek God of being a paid Russian hack.

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What even is a "top" vs "bottom" house? All sororities (and fraternities, for that matter) look the same to me...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cringe-o-meter = 11

DP. I don't see what's so cringe about it. She's worried about whether her DD, who's used to being popular and social, will be able to recreate that experience on a campus that is culturally much different from what she's accustomed to. Seems like a valid concern. Is it just because she's a middle-aged mom using Gen-Z Greek life terms? Far as I can tell, she used them correctly.

It's not a valid concern. If the school isn't a friendly place to those not in a "touse", OP's daughter simply shouldn't go there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she was that great, she would be able to make friends on her own without paying for them.

This is such a tired trope. Fraternity/sorority dues don't "pay for friends." If that were the case, you wouldn't have to rush and hope for a bid, which many don't get -- including you, probably, which is why you're still making caustic comments about Greek life decades later.

Greek organizations have expenses: a house, social events, travel, and so on. Splitting these costs among so many people necessitates some kind of formal structure to ensure everyone pays their fair share. A group of 3-4 friends who share an apartment and go out on weekends and take spring break trips together can split the costs informally on their own, but that isn't possible with 80 or 100 people.

"Established Rolex clients don't "pay for a watch". If that were the case, you wouldn't have to have a purchase history and hope to get the call, which many don't get -- including you, probably"

If you can't get X without paying, they you are paying for X. No need to overcomplicate it.

Greek dues are in excess of expenses (the excess goes to the national orgs), and the house rent is also often above market price, and the house is often rented out by a for profit company.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cringe-o-meter = 11

DP. I don't see what's so cringe about it. She's worried about whether her DD, who's used to being popular and social, will be able to recreate that experience on a campus that is culturally much different from what she's accustomed to. Seems like a valid concern. Is it just because she's a middle-aged mom using Gen-Z Greek life terms? Far as I can tell, she used them correctly.

It's not a valid concern. If the school
isn't a friendly place to those not in a "touse", OP's daughter simply shouldn't go there.

Bullshit. You don’t let a handful of sororities define an entire university.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she was that great, she would be able to make friends on her own without paying for them.

This is such a tired trope. Fraternity/sorority dues don't "pay for friends." If that were the case, you wouldn't have to rush and hope for a bid, which many don't get -- including you, probably, which is why you're still making caustic comments about Greek life decades later.

Greek organizations have expenses: a house, social events, travel, and so on. Splitting these costs among so many people necessitates some kind of formal structure to ensure everyone pays their fair share. A group of 3-4 friends who share an apartment and go out on weekends and take spring break trips together can split the costs informally on their own, but that isn't possible with 80 or 100 people.

Hilarious take. The vast majority of people have zero interest in fraternities and sororities. They were cringey in 1998 when I was in college, and they are cringey now. I am trying to raise children with the social skills to make friends and connections without paying for an embarrassing crutch. You do you, though.

[Anonymous]

If you go through rush at a large SEC school with the intention to only pledge a “top” house, you are doing it completely wrong. The whole point is to find your people and a smaller community within a new and large environment. Who gives a crap about the meaningless ranking assigned by people you will never actually meet?

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I thought Top and Bottom referred to something else since we are talking about sororities...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the DD want to be in a sorority with girls from the same geographical area? Isn’t making connections / networking one of the goals of joining a Greek house? I would much rather my kid join a house with kids from all over, mostly from the NE, where many of the higher paying jobs can be found.

The highest paying jobs are moving to the South.

Equities in Dallas used to be an insult. Now it's becoming the goal.

Mamdani is accelerating the exodus.

Yeah, but you would have to actually live in the South. Hard pass!

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Anonymous wrote:DD has both UGA and UF on her final list. She is attractive, extroverted, and smart: VP of her senior class, homecoming court, varsity athlete, tons of friends, active social life. There is zero doubt she'd get a touse bid at UVA or UMD-CP, especially since she has older high school friends in touses on those campuses. But she is lured by the weather, energy, and tailgate scene of the SEC, and I'm wondering how rush will pan out for her there given she's not a stereotypical Southern belle and will know next to zero people to start. I can't see her ending up in a bouse, but I keep hearing that a touse bid requires existing connections, recommendations, even a family legacy in some cases. Is a mouse the best she can hope for as an out-of-state student not from the South? I'm not saying that's the worst thing that could happen, and obviously academics come first, but she wants to be in a social environment that matches what she brings to the table, and I don't blame her. Parents with out-of-state DCs at SEC schools (particularly UGA or UF), what has been your experience?

I would not count on a "touse" (new word for me) at UVA. The top 3 houses each had many PNMs (50+ in the one I'm most familiar with) with inside connections who dirty rushed who went to the end and then did not get a bid. I personally know a dozen "attractive, extroverted, smart girls with tons of friends" who ended rush without any bid.

Did they audition them for their dancing ability? Because that seems to be very important for publicity purposes.

[Anonymous]

I always wondered why the sorority girls I dated in college called me Tenis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD has both UGA and UF on her final list. She is attractive, extroverted, and smart: VP of her senior class, homecoming court, varsity athlete, tons of friends, active social life. There is zero doubt she'd get a touse bid at UVA or UMD-CP, especially since she has older high school friends in touses on those campuses. But she is lured by the weather, energy, and tailgate scene of the SEC, and I'm wondering how rush will pan out for her there given she's not a stereotypical Southern belle and will know next to zero people to start. I can't see her ending up in a bouse, but I keep hearing that a touse bid requires existing connections, recommendations, even a family legacy in some cases. Is a mouse the best she can hope for as an out-of-state student not from the South? I'm not saying that's the worst thing that could happen, and obviously academics come first, but she wants to be in a social environment that matches what she brings to the table, and I don't blame her. Parents with out-of-state DCs at SEC schools (particularly UGA or UF), what has been your experience?

I would not count on a "touse" (new word for me) at UVA. The top 3 houses each had many PNMs (50+ in the one I'm most familiar with) with inside connections who dirty rushed who went to the end and then did not get a bid. I personally know a dozen "attractive, extroverted, smart girls with tons of friends" who ended rush without any bid.

Did they audition them for their dancing ability? Because that seems to be very important for publicity purposes.

UVA sororities are not into the dancing videos. Different vibe over there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought Top and Bottom referred to something else since we are talking about sororities...

Those terms are used for men, not women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she was that great, she would be able to make friends on her own without paying for them.

This is such a tired trope. Fraternity/sorority dues don't "pay for friends." If that were the case, you wouldn't have to rush and hope for a bid, which many don't get -- including you, probably, which is why you're still making caustic comments about Greek life decades later.

Greek organizations have expenses: a house, social events, travel, and so on. Splitting these costs among so many people necessitates some kind of formal structure to ensure everyone pays their fair share. A group of 3-4 friends who share an apartment and go out on weekends and take spring break trips together can split the costs informally on their own, but that isn't possible with 80 or 100 people.

Hilarious take. The vast majority of people have zero interest in fraternities and sororities. They were cringey in 1998 when I was in college, and they are cringey now. I am trying to raise children with the social skills to make friends and connections without paying for an embarrassing crutch. You do you, though.

Geed.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious - I have some friends with kids at UGA. What are the top frats and sororities there?

Also, don't some of these schools also have secret societies and things like that? I think some are in both a frat and a society?

Look on Greek rank