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Anonymous wrote:2nd grade eligible for AAP.
NNAT: 160
NGAT: 151
In pool.
MAP: 216
Hope: 4 always, 4 almost always, 3 often.

My kid had NNAT 160, NGAT 159, and MAP 221. In pool, eligible.

Hope was mostly 3s. I was pretty pissed, because the teacher marked “no” for the world languages, and the kid is fully bilingual/biliterate. There is no way the teacher did not know it, she just did not care.
So much depends on the teacher. My oldest got in with much lower scores, but the teacher adored them.

I think it just means Spanish. My kid is also bilingual and reads/writes in another language (not Spanish) but didn't get the world languages checked.

I think that box gets checked only for students who were enrolled in an official FCPS World Languages program. World Languages refers to a specific FCPS curriculum that is used at the Immersion Schools and the FLES Programs Schools. Only certain schools will even have students who qualify to have the box checked since not every school participates in immersion or FLES.

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Anonymous wrote:DD didn't get in, looking to appeal.

Dumb question.... Who should I email to request AAP packet and HOPE scores, if the school doesn't seem to have an AART anymore?

Ask the principal who the point of contact is.

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Anonymous wrote:Also looking at other test results. We had higher scores than most mentioned and still didn’t get in. Why is that I wonder? :/

Your child’s school matters. The students with the lower scores may attend a school where the school are generally lower. So that student may actually one of the higher scorers in their particular school. AAP is meant to select students whose academic needs would be hard to meet within the general ed setting in their school. If the school has generally higher performing students, then the barrier to entry is typically higher. There are other factors too. We know kids who were in pool but didn’t get in. But it sounded like their test scores were abnormally high compared to their grades, work output, and teacher ratings.

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Anonymous wrote:Also looking at other test results. We had higher scores than most mentioned and still didn’t get in. Why is that I wonder? :/

Your child’s school matters. The students with the lower scores may attend a school where the school are generally lower. So that student may actually one of the higher scorers in their particular school. AAP is meant to select students whose academic needs would be hard to meet within the general ed setting in their school. If the school has generally higher performing students, then the barrier to entry is typically higher. There are other factors too. We know kids who were in pool but didn’t get in. But it sounded like their test scores were abnormally high compared to their grades, work output, and teacher ratings.

Yep. There are some kids who had grades and ratings that don't match the high scores that aren't admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:2nd grade eligible for AAP.
NNAT: 160
NGAT: 151
In pool.
MAP: 216
Hope: 4 always, 4 almost always, 3 often.

My kid had NNAT 160, NGAT 159, and MAP 221. In pool, eligible.

Hope was mostly 3s. I was pretty pissed, because the teacher marked “no” for the world languages, and the kid is fully bilingual/biliterate. There is no way the teacher did not know it, she just did not care.
So much depends on the teacher. My oldest got in with much lower scores, but the teacher adored them.

I think it just means Spanish. My kid is also bilingual and reads/writes in another language (not Spanish) but didn't get the world languages checked.

“World languages” is if your kid is in a foreign language program (immersion or some schools have a weekly specials class) - not if they can speak more than one language. You can debate if it should be this way, but that’s what it is. So just being bilingual would not be a reason to check that off.

Oh, now I feel bad for being pissed.

It’s French, not immersion- the teacher speaks it too, so I figured she must have known. Makes sense.

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Child did not get in despite being in-pool with very high scores in a top AAP school. For those with experience here, worth it to do another set of tests if already high?
High suspicious that teacher marked him low and she said she wasn’t involved in any work samples — totally uninvolved.

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2nd grader. NNAT 142. NGAT 150. In pool. All 4’s on report card except 3’s on a couple specials. HOPE seemed mediocre as compared to my older kid’s GBRS. Both kids eligible.

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Anonymous wrote:2nd grader. NNAT 142. NGAT 150. In pool. All 4’s on report card except 3’s on a couple specials. HOPE seemed mediocre as compared to my older kid’s GBRS. Both kids eligible.

Clarifying older kid got in as a 2nd grader under the older criteria of GBRS and CogAt

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Hi friends-
2nd grader
He was in universal pool
NGAT - 141
NAT - 127
MAP -221
iready - 438

I am not sure what hope rating is - is it the report card quarterly score? If it is report card quarterly score than it was most of the time 3 and few 4.
Now He is not choosen for AAP

Should I submit an appeal?
what is the appeal process step by step?
Do I have chance in this score?

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Anonymous wrote:2nd didn’t get in. I have had two older kids go through this and they got in the first round so not sure how the appeal process works. Is WISC mandatory for appeal and can we successfully appeal without it? Feeling a bit disheartened. The process has also changed so much and I’m still upset about them introducing NGAT and getting ride of Cogat which was a much more established testing tool.

Trying to understand appeal process too.

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2nd grader, NNAT 152; NGAT 162. MAP 259. In pool. I did not request HOPE score. He is eligible.

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Anonymous wrote:2nd didn’t get in. I have had two older kids go through this and they got in the first round so not sure how the appeal process works. Is WISC mandatory for appeal and can we successfully appeal without it? Feeling a bit disheartened. The process has also changed so much and I’m still upset about them introducing NGAT and getting ride of Cogat which was a much more established testing tool.

2nd this question. Is a WISC needed for appeal on already high, in pool scores?

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I thought they didn’t test in second grade?

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Anonymous wrote:We applied from the private school and didn’t get in. How do we even know if we are “in pool” or not? Is it worth appealing? Also, we are about to change school pyramids and will provide a new address if we appealed. Does it make a difference?

I don’t think private school students can be in pool, that is only for FCPS students who take the ngat at the same time as the rest of their second grade cohort.

Do you think it makes sense to appeal? Also does it make a difference that we applied from Woodson HS pyramid and now we bought a new house and moved to Lake Braddock HS pyramid (which is I think less competitive in terms of parent population)? So when we appeal we will have a new address. Or it doesn’t make a difference?

Moving will not make a difference. If you have a new wisc score, then that might make an appeal worthwhile.

Got it, thank you! We didn’t take WISC. Is there still time for it (given appeal deadline is May 01)? Sorry for dumb questions, I am new to it.

Yes, there’s still time for a WISC and it provides really helpful info on your child’s learning strengths/ weaknesses etc, but I’d call soon to book it. You’ll hear on this forum that the committee will only except GMU for WISC but we had a successful appeal with a private WISC … in addition to submitting new work samples, and other school testing done after the packet was compiled.

Thanks a lot! Can you recommend a provider you used please?

FCPS seems to like GMU. For what it is worth, WISC scores don’t seem to have a lot of success based on what people have posted here.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi friends-
2nd grader
He was in universal pool
NGAT - 141
NAT - 127
MAP -221
iready - 438

I am not sure what hope rating is - is it the report card quarterly score? If it is report card quarterly score than it was most of the time 3 and few 4.
Now He is not choosen for AAP

Should I submit an appeal?
what is the appeal process step by step?
Do I have chance in this score?

The scores are great. I would say definitely appeal. Request your kid's packet from school. You will see HOPE questionnaire there. It is highly likely that HOPE score was the reason. Try to address the gaps in your new samples/parent forms.